Battle of the bad GM's

I know things are bad now, but honestly it seems a lot of people seem to not know or forgotten about how terrible things were under Vinny.

I think the reasons why things seem worst now is that we are further removed from any success the team had, social media brings a lot of dirt in the open, and the injuries. If Vinny was happening now, FedEx would have been burned down by fans by now.

Definitely some heavy recency bias going on here.


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They're both terrible but have their pros and cons.

Vinny Cerrato

Pros: Brought in big name free-agents and got fans excited every off-season. That's all I got...

Cons: Big name free-agents hardly (seemingly never) panned out or made any impact. The guy just seemed unstable/in over his head and didn't inspire any confidence. Was a business guy and not a "football" guy. Had too much unwarranted control. Traded away our draft picks almost every year. Missed on most draft picks we had left.

Bruce Allen

Pros: Brought some stability and frugality back to the organization. Skins are no longer seen as a "final stop" destination for aging veterans to cash out and slack off the last few years of their career. Drafts have been better during his tenure, although I believe a lot of that is due to Gruden and some of the other guys in the Personnel department.

Cons: Sleazy executive type who doesn't handle business as a man should. Hides from the media when the outcome of each year is heavily influenced by his decisions. Losing record that wouldn't be tolerated most other places.

At the end of the day i'd go with Bruce if these were my only two options. He's terrible, yes, but I'm at least pleased with the fact that we're looked at as "Mis-managed" and not just a place to collect checks anymore. The ONE constant over the past 20 years though is not found in the Front Office, Coaching Staff, Training Staff, etc. It's the Owner. It's Dan Snyder. I know this isn't any shocking information but it's true. I do not trust him to hire a competent GM anymore. I don't think a competent GM would prefer to work here. Money always talks, and i'm sure we could lure one eventually, but my trust has been seriously shaken with this team. The closest thing we've had to a functional FO was with Scot M. running the football side and BA running the business side. Scot had his flaws, and Bruce was more involved with football than we realized. But THAT structure was our best chance to succeed. Bruce is a businessman, let him handle Business. Get somebody else to run our football team and leave him the eff alone.

Again, you guys are being WAY too nice to Vinny. I'll just end my comments with that.

Again, you guys are being WAY too nice to Vinny. I'll just end my comments with that.

I agree. But to me what seems to be really bothersome about Bruce is his character...he actually seems to be a really shit person...and why would Snyder insist having a low character person run the org? Then he must be equally low character.

Vinny was bad, but I do not know if his character was ever in question like it is for Bruce.

Vinny was garbage. We all know that. But he gets somewhat of a pass from me because during that period Dan was heavily involved. A lot of the bad things that went on was on Snyder as well as Vinny. Also the 4 years Gibbs was here the team won a playoff game and got to another. Does Vinny get any credit for that? lol.

Bruce Allen is just a slimeball. The way he hides, the way he does business, the way he has ruined the QB position, the way he isn't trusted by fellow NFL personnel people, he sucks at PR.

I just don't understand why he's still here. She should have been fired just for all the bad PR he's caused the organization.

Vinny was garbage. We all know that. But he gets somewhat of a pass from me because during that period Dan was heavily involved. A lot of the bad things that went on was on Snyder as well as Vinny. Also the 4 years Gibbs was here the team won a playoff game and got to another. Does Vinny get any credit for that? lol.

Bruce Allen is just a slimeball. The way he hides, the way he does business, the way he has ruined the QB position, the way he isn't trusted by fellow NFL personnel people, he sucks at PR.

I just don't understand why he's still here. She should have been fired just for all the bad PR he's caused the organization.

A new stadium. That is the only reason why he's still here. A new stadium in Dan's mind means a chance to host a Super Bowl and to bring in even more profits. Once that has been done, Dan won't need Bruce anymore, and Bruce will probably just retire.

I agree. But to me what seems to be really bothersome about Bruce is his character...he actually seems to be a really shit person...and why would Snyder insist having a low character person run the org? Then he must be equally low character.

Vinny was bad, but I do not know if his character was ever in question like it is for Bruce.

Who the hell cares about character. Bill Belichick is a complete asshole, yet he's a hall of fame coach.

Again, I don't want people to think I'm defending Allen, he's shit and has done terrible things. But I hear people say "I give Vinny a pass" or "things weren't that bad" and I'm like, really? Do you truly remember the complete and utter shit show the team was during his tenure?

Who the hell cares about character. Bill Belichick is a complete asshole, yet he's a hall of fame coach.

Again, I don't want people to think I'm defending Allen, he's shit and has done terrible things. But I hear people say "I give Vinny a pass" or "things weren't that bad" and I'm like, really? Do you truly remember the complete and utter shit show the team was during his tenure?

People develop short term memory. Vinny's tenure was at least AS bad as Bruce's tenure. It wasn't better at all. The only bright spot was having Joe Gibbs back for four seasons.

I look at it this way, since Vinny was fired he's been out of the league. Nobody wants him. If Allen left here he'd find a job as an executive somewhere else. Say what you will about him as a personnel guy (he's clearly not) but he knows what he's doing in a non-personnel executive role.