The Too Soon 2021 NFL Draft Thread

https://www.nfl.com/news/charley-casserly-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-justin-fields-slides-to-steelers

I like the idea of Fields and Jones sliding down to/past #19 (though I'm not sure anyone rates Lance as better than Fields...), but if that were to happen would we seriously overlook 2 potential franchise QB's in favour of a LB? Can't see that happening.

https://www.nfl.com/news/charley-casserly-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-justin-fields-slides-to-steelers

I like the idea of Fields and Jones sliding down to/past #19 (though I'm not sure anyone rates Lance as better than Fields...), but if that were to happen would we seriously overlook 2 potential franchise QB's in favour of a LB? Can't see that happening.

Lance has a ton of hype, some say he's right up there potential wise as Lawrence due to his raw athletic ability.. The thing is, he's raw so some teams may be hesitant to take him.

Fields ain't fallin that far but I hope he does.

Casserly has had some very bad takes in the past few drafts.

He wasn't mobile five years ago in his prime.

He stated the truth without directly denigrating anyone. No problem with that.

But the truth is that no team can trust his durability moving forward, especially not in a starting role.



You don’t think Alex Smith used his legs or was mobile before his injury?

5 years ago in 2015 Smith ran for almost 500 yards with KC. Not mobile?

Give me your data and we can have a discussion about it. But once again I love how you lump everyone in as either a pocket passer or a running qb with out recognizing a continuum. How can you seriously lump in Rodgers and Manning in the same category? It is absurd.

Also, in what universe is Rodgers considered a pocket passer?

https://www.nfl.com/news/charley-casserly-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-justin-fields-slides-to-steelers

I like the idea of Fields and Jones sliding down to/past #19 (though I'm not sure anyone rates Lance as better than Fields...), but if that were to happen would we seriously overlook 2 potential franchise QB's in favour of a LB? Can't see that happening.

I don’t know. I’ve seen some stuff out there that says that Fields have difficulty reading defenses and has a high number of plays that he’s firing to his 1st read instead of being able to work through his progressions. I see Lance as a Josh Allen 2.0. He may be raw but has a HUGE talent and athleticism ceiling. Allen surged in year two. Lance may follow the same trajectory. I personally would rather have Lance over Fields. But I doubt we get either. We would be more like to get Mac Jones, and although I think he will be a solid QB, his lack of mobility will not translate well to our current offensive scheme.

Also, in what universe is Rodgers considered a pocket passer?

The same universe in which Smith wasn’t mobile 5 years ago

The crap against Fields is just that, crap. He played in a system that was designed to get the first read open and make sure that open receiver was hit with the pass. It is not that he can't "read" secondary or third receivers. It is that OSU's system is designed to maximize the potential to hit the first read. But Fields is very, very intelligent, extremely self critical and willing to sacrifice himself for the best for the team. He is a strong leader and very mature. He is completely unlike Haskins. Fields will make the adjustment to the NFL. He will be willing to watch hours and hours of film. But there is not chance that he will be available at 19. I think it is highly likely he will go to Atlanta at No. 4.

The crap against Fields is just that, crap. He played in a system that was designed to get the first read open and make sure that open receiver was hit with the pass. It is not that he can't "read" secondary or third receivers. It is that OSU's system is designed to maximize the potential to hit the first read. But Fields is very, very intelligent, extremely self critical and willing to sacrifice himself for the best for the team. He is a strong leader and very mature. He is completely unlike Haskins. Fields will make the adjustment to the NFL. He will be willing to watch hours and hours of film. But there is not chance that he will be available at 19. I think it is highly likely he will go to Atlanta at No. 4.

I’ve always felt that’s what makes college QBs so hard to judge. Figuring out what they CAN do vs what they were asked to do in college. I think Fields and Jones are in the same boat there.

Give me your data and we can have a discussion about it. But once again I love how you lump everyone in as either a pocket passer or a running qb with out recognizing a continuum. How can you seriously lump in Rodgers and Manning in the same category? It is absurd.

Rodgers is more mobile than Manning, but Rodgers primarily sits in pocket and tries to read the D and make throws. No, they aren't identical creatures, yes there is a continuum, but both are primarily pocket passers. My data is the simple bottom-line result: every QB who has won 2+ SBs in salary cap era is a pocket passing QB.