Fresh Start Political Thread

https://nypost.com/2021/08/10/rashida-tlaib-seen-dancing-at-wedding-without-mask-in-michigan/

Rashida Tlaib seen dancing at wedding without mask after slamming Rand Paul

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-coronavirus-mask-capitol

AOC puts on mask for picture, removes it afterward, video shows
Ocasio-Cortez removed her mask shortly after the photo was taken

https://www.newsweek.com/chicago-mayor-dismisses-spreader-concerns-lollapalooza-amid-cdc-guidance-delta-rise-1613988

Chicago Mayor Dismisses 'Spreader' Concerns on Lollapalooza Amid CDC Guidance, Delta Rise

You got Obama maskless in a tent dancing in an identified high transmission area

You agree these aren’t serious people and the mask talk is largely performative theatre?

It does seem to be performative theater.

I hear ya Cred, I know nothing about energy -- clean energy, fossil energy -- but as a dummy looking from the outside in, I hope 50 years from now we still arent using coal and oil. Everything you said makes sense perfect and common sense.



But its not really us .. its fucking China and India etc needing to use clean renewable energy.



Whether or not I recycle this milk carton doesnt do anything when China emits more emissions than all the developed countries combined.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57018837You and I share a mind on China and India. You can add in non-commercial private jets in my mind. People do have to fly from A to B but there should be minimum passenger requirements on every single airplane flight over 100 miles. Those engines consume more fossil fuels than I will in a year.

If we want to innovate that is one area where a breakthrough could have massive effect.

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https://nypost.com/2021/08/10/rashida-tlaib-seen-dancing-at-wedding-without-mask-in-michigan/

Rashida Tlaib seen dancing at wedding without mask after slamming Rand Paul





This is just personal opinion here, ...................fuck Rand Paul!

Cred I agree in regards to petroleum as of now we use it in so many products and it is essential for travel. Electric cars are making great headways but for people to take them seriously you need to be able to pull of the highway and get a full charge in 3 minutes, the average time it takes to fill a sedan in the United States until then you won't get serious buy in.

Coal I have to disagree. While yes it is the most energy dense it is just awful from a human health, environment and economic stand point. Coal has been phasing itself out but far to slowly. At the turn of the century it was 60% of our electrical generation portfolio. Flashforward 20 years later and it is less than 20%. We generate more from nuclear now (even though the amount from nuclear has stayed the same). The reason is because of natural gas far cleaner, less air and aquatic pollutants, less climate change impact, easier to transport the list goes on.

I also tend to disagree with you on renewables. The last twenty years we have been so far behind subsidizing it. The amount we subsidize coal, oil and natural gas is insane. You can always argue they are bigger shares of the profile therefore deserve higher subsidies. We could all chip in by a lease on federal land for $2 and acre and probably pull in 1 million a year in profits. None of the presidents we have had this century have invested seriously in renewables. Right now we have the ability to provide all our electrical needs from photovoltaic and wind during daytime and use nuclear and natural gas at night regardless of battery storage. We just lack effective national leadership to work it out.

SD I imagine we could get that 0% up to at least 2%.

Chico you mentioned the Green New Deal the problem with it IMO is we should have been working on energy conservation strategies 45 years ago. It is kind of like the shit show SD's state is in with fires. Most fire prone areas of the world began moving power underground. California instead of investing bit by bit just ignored it and now spend billions of dollars on fire issues a year (awesome job Newsome) or the school district that doesn't put money towards maintaining infrastructure and then we are stuck with collapsing school buildings and they say it is too expensive to fix we yeah you have ignored it for a half a century of course it is.

If I had my way the two biggest things I would focus on are conservation of energy and energy efficiency for some reason we have really struggled there but it makes the most direct and immediate impact.

I also cringe at using nonrenewable resources for single use purposes it just seems so illogical to me.

Can you show links on this part of your post Right now we have the ability to provide all our electrical needs from photovoltaic and wind during daytime and use nuclear and natural gas at night regardless of battery storage. I highly doubt that is true. The amount of energy lost in transmitting generated electricity a huge issue that is being worked on by scientists across the globe.

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I also cringe at using nonrenewable resources for single use purposes it just seems so illogical to me.

Not to sound like a pruis driving portland librarian ... but single use plastic kills me. Think of all the single use plastic just within 5 feet of you right now.

Biodegradable should be the goal asap imo.

https://sensiseeds.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Biodegradable-hemp-plastics-1024x369.jpg

https://www.wwf.org.au/Images/UserUploadedImages/408/img-lifecycle-of-plastics-infographic-1000px.jpg

When did this Country stop being innovative and groundbreaking?

We gave the world the lightbulb, the internet, plastic, dental floss, landed on the moon.

But when it comes to energy its "naw were good with circa 1800 energy sources like fucking coal. Lets not try and come up with better cleaner energy sources."

I feel like this is part of Idiocracy where all the top scientist minds are busy increasing penis sizes and not solving the worlds real problems.

God forbid the US society tries to move on from the 1950s.

Look on the bright side. There is more alternative fuel use than ever. Solar, wind, battery operated vehicles, etc. It was not too long ago that it was the stuff of science fiction and wishful thinking. Now it has debuted and is being used.

Sure, it is all still in the embryonic stage, but it is moving forward. As innovation- yes it is present- increases, so will the bang for the buck.

The analogy I like to use is the CD Player. When it first rolled into stores, it was a high end luxury item. Soon enough, it became affordable and the medium of choice. Now it has been surpassed and survives largely as a niche product, available anywhere including thrift stores.

So it will be with alternative fuels. But it does take time. :cool:

Look on the bright side. There is more alternative fuel use than ever. Solar, wind, battery operated vehicles, etc. It was not too long ago that it was the stuff of science fiction and wishful thinking. Now it has debuted and is being used.

Sure, it is all still in the embryonic stage, but it is moving forward. As innovation- yes it is present- increases, so will the bang for the buck.

The analogy I like to use is the CD Player. When it first rolled into stores, it was a high end luxury item. Soon enough, it became affordable and the medium of choice. Now it has been surpassed and survives largely as a niche product, available anywhere including thrift stores.

So it will be with alternative fuels. But it does take time. :cool:

I think youre right, thanks for the positive affirmation .. the train is moving down the tracks, gaining momentum.

im not a big environmental guy, dont drive an electric car etc. I like nature, loved fishing as a kid, grew up on the potomac river, follow the no trail no trace motto ... but this world is getting bad quick.

Cred here you go:
https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2018/ee/c7ee03029k#!divAbstract


It is not just we can start putting up photovoltaics and boom we would need to bring our electrical grid into the 21st century something we don't have the political will power to do.