Chase Young #99

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mooby
11-03-2021, 08:39 AM
Dude is Clowney 2.0, said it from the day we drafted him.

Big, looks intimidating but is constantly out of position, takes himself out of plays, has about.5 pass rush moves and generally looks like a JAG.

Cant rush worth a fuck, can't cover, can tackle well either.

TF we think hes the face of a franchise for?

FFS we are pathetic.

Not passing the JGLOTR eye test huh?

I'm firmly on the "no" camp right now in regards to him being a bust.

If his stats aren't reflecting his play by the end of next season then it's probably a yes.

skinsfaninok
11-03-2021, 08:39 AM
I wouldn't say he can't tackle well, he's pretty damn good at that. He wasn't drafted to cover anyone, but yes his pass rush moves are horrible.. If he can't bull rush you he is a non factor. That is a huge issue and needs to be fixed or else he will be another Clowney for sure

Schneed10
11-03-2021, 08:40 AM
Rivera had some insightful comments on JP Finlay's podcast this week - he had the analytics team look at how often Chase and Montez are facing chips or extra blocks on 3rd downs. Rivera said it's noticeably higher than league average.

That explains why the PFF grades are high but the sack numbers are low. It also says that Washington either just noticed this because of the analytics exercise, or they noticed it earlier but have failed to scheme anything up defensively to take advantage. If you know you're going to get chipped more often there should be something you can do schematically to counter it. Hasn't happened yet. Now that he publicly pointed to it, he better show that he has a plan to counter it.

I'd run games on 3rd down. Send the ends inside and let the DTs loop around. The ends won't be where the chipping blockers expect them to be.

skinsfaninok
11-03-2021, 08:43 AM
That is why the grades are solid, its why Aaron Donald is consistently the highest graded DL in football, but the defensive scheme is trash. It's not an excuse for CY tho, this was a "generational" talent by 99% of the draft experts.. So far Sweat has been better

Chico23231
11-03-2021, 08:51 AM
I’ll buy low on CY, he’s flashed and still figuring it out. JDR needs to step up

MTK
11-03-2021, 08:59 AM
Dude is Clowney 2.0, said it from the day we drafted him.

Big, looks intimidating but is constantly out of position, takes himself out of plays, has about.5 pass rush moves and generally looks like a JAG.

Cant rush worth a fuck, can't cover, can tackle well either.

TF we think hes the face of a franchise for?

FFS we are pathetic.

Let's not go off the deep end. There are enough legit gripes to make without making stuff up. The guy can tackle, honest question when was the last time you saw him miss one?

PFF posted this on 10/25

Chase Young hasn’t missed a tackle in 1,082 defensive snaps.

Longest active streak in the NFL

MTK
11-03-2021, 09:09 AM
Rivera had some insightful comments on JP Finlay's podcast this week - he had the analytics team look at how often Chase and Montez are facing chips or extra blocks on 3rd downs. Rivera said it's noticeably higher than league average.

That explains why the PFF grades are high but the sack numbers are low. It also says that Washington either just noticed this because of the analytics exercise, or they noticed it earlier but have failed to scheme anything up defensively to take advantage. If you know you're going to get chipped more often there should be something you can do schematically to counter it. Hasn't happened yet. Now that he publicly pointed to it, he better show that he has a plan to counter it.

I'd run games on 3rd down. Send the ends inside and let the DTs loop around. The ends won't be where the chipping blockers expect them to be.

Is CY the only guy in the league getting chipped though? Garrett, Donald, Watt, etc don't get doubled or chipped a ton? I don't know man, this has always seemed like a weak excuse to me. He seems to get plenty of one on ones and he's simply not winning enough.

FrenchSkin
11-03-2021, 09:22 AM
He had an excellent rookie season. Truly excellent.

This year is highly disappointing so far for sure, but he can still turn it around.
I think part of the issue is a young guy used to success and not handling struggles and adversity very well.
But part of it is definitely on coaching too. You can't have a young player that talented regress that much and not blame coaches, at least partly.
Finally, I don't want to see him drop into coverage one more time. Ever. That was again the case last Sunday, and it was embarrassing, and it's not fooling anybody, and teams are taking advantage of it. It's like thinking you're smart for using a chainsaw to play ping pong. Yeah that's feasible. Yeah that's unexpected. But it's also highly inefficient.

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Schneed10
11-03-2021, 09:36 AM
Is CY the only guy in the league getting chipped though? Garrett, Donald, Watt, etc don't get doubled or chipped a ton? I don't know man, this has always seemed like a weak excuse to me. He seems to get plenty of one on ones and he's simply not winning enough.

Definitely needs to develop more pass rush moves if he's going to live up to the #2 overall pick, I'm just saying that his reputation and ability is drawing the attention of offensive coordinators. It's up to our defensive staff to scheme in such a way that lets the play of those around Chase actually be elevated by the attention Chase draws. They haven't, and that's probably the most disappointing thing about this year, to me. Del Rio hasn't schemed up anything. I'm getting very concerned that he and Rivera have a way of doing things, and they're either just too rigid to deviate from it, or they lack the strategic thought to adjust successfully.

Chase won't be a HOF player if he doesn't improve with his pass rush repertoire but it's also insane to call him a bust right now. I don't think his coaches are doing him any favors.

mooby
11-03-2021, 09:45 AM
I’ll buy low on CY, he’s flashed and still figuring it out. JDR needs to step up

+1

JDR and Sam Mills - both are not looking too hot right now.

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