In the Hole - Post Game Thread

Fuller was great yesterday

Targeted 8 times and gave up 4 rec for 15 yards

Seriously if Hurts beats us we do not deserve the playoffs. I think we got 3 wins in the bag. 9-8 worse possible record. Get your charity picked out. If it’s the WP that would be fine - would save me a transaction. Lol

And they're thinking if TH beats us then we do not deserve to be in the playoffs.

And they're thinking if TH beats us then we do not deserve to be in the playoffs.

Accurate in both circumstances...yep

Oh I'm with you on that ! In the moment I was like "what? 3rd and 5 is better than 2nd and 10 tf is Ron thinking" !

Just saying if we're being fair it turned out being a positive in itself because 3rd 10 > 3rd and 5. But not the call I would've made either. Take the 3rd down and trust your D.

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From what I can find, statistically there is very little difference between eventually converting from 2nd and 10 (roughly 54%) versus from 3rd and 5 (roughly 49%). Going by that alone, you would decline the penalty, but it's close. The difference could be that you have a slightly better chance at forcing an INT if you accept the penalty and force them to pass twice. Hard to say. Either way, there's plenty of room for debate and it's not a critical error or brainless decision to choose one over the other.

Fuller was great yesterday

Targeted 8 times and gave up 4 rec for 15 yards

I noticed he has been better since the last few games.. I wonder if it has to do with better communication between him and safeties.

From what I can find, statistically there is very little difference between eventually converting from 2nd and 10 (roughly 54%) versus from 3rd and 5 (roughly 49%). Going by that alone, you would decline the penalty, but it's close. The difference could be that you have a slightly better chance at forcing an INT if you accept the penalty and force them to pass twice. Hard to say. Either way, there's plenty of room for debate and it's not a critical error or brainless decision to choose one over the other.


Interesting stat. Thanks.

Unless the penalty knocks them even close to out of fg range you decline it. Or if it would be third and short. But at third and five I absolutely hate the idea of giving them two chances instead of the one.

It is debatable. I just haven’t heard a good reason why u would accept it yet. Hoping for an interception isn’t really a good reason imo.

And they're thinking if TH beats us then we do not deserve to be in the playoffs.


True lol. TH has his moments at least. Hurts is completely one dimensional. But true at least after yesterday. [emoji1750]

Look what hurts did against the Giants recently too. Even bad Taylor does better.

From what I can find, statistically there is very little difference between eventually converting from 2nd and 10 (roughly 54%) versus from 3rd and 5 (roughly 49%). Going by that alone, you would decline the penalty, but it's close. The difference could be that you have a slightly better chance at forcing an INT if you accept the penalty and force them to pass twice. Hard to say. Either way, there's plenty of room for debate and it's not a critical error or brainless decision to choose one over the other.

I think giving a team two chances to get 10 yards as opposed to giving them one chance to get 5 yards is stupid. I don't know if what you are finding statistically is taking into account - simply getting the first down on the next play, or getting the first down at all (since accepting the penalty gave them more opportunities).

Like (I think) Punch said, if the penalty will potentially push them out of FG range, fine. But that was not the case.

Like (I think) Punch said, if the penalty will potentially push them out of FG range, fine. But that was not the case.


Probably 75 times since it happened, so it could be me. [emoji23]

Is there a beat a dead horse gif?

Gonna be honest, I think our defense yesterday wasn’t the problem. Dallas has the no 1 offense…they love to tout that shit. I think for as limited as we were on the dline, the secondary, LB really backed them up fairly well.

When you look at the offense, it’s not getting it done. The Oline I thought was the most disappointing outside of the TH overall play. We got nothing from RSJ…Logan Thomas out has really hurt all season.