Palmeiro, Art Monk of the MLB?

I'll say this... why do you need supplements?
I would bet that 99.9% of all athletes take supplements.

Maybe I'm jumping the gun, but I think these athletes take us for idiots. I mean seriously, if he was taking anything legal, he would have known what it is. I absolutley think he, and Bonds who used that argument as well, both knowningly took what they took. Thats my take on it, but I just dont see how a professional athlete dosent "knowing" ingest somthing into their body.

I agree, I mean c'mon, I didn't "knowingly" take roids?!

Whatever.

Gotta love professional sports, the only place where you can use this lame excuse.

Imagine some average Joe getting busted for a drug test at work and trying to say I didn't knowingly snort coke. Yeah that would really fly.

I just don't think it is as black and white as that. Normally I'm the first person to stand up and cry "bullshit" whenever I hear the "unknowingly took them" argument, but Raffy really had a good argument.

It's still irresponsible of these players if they are taking substances and they're not sure of what's in them, or if they are potentially banned substances.

Has anyone other than Canseco admitted to using steroids?

The guy is a tool but at least he's been honest, I can at least respect him for that.

I'm just getting tired of hearing about these athletes who are playing the victim card. Oh I didn't know I was taking a banned substance... well if you really don't know what you're taking I can't feel sorry for you when it turns out that it was illegal. If you're putting something into your body and you're not sure what it is exactly, who's fault is that?

I do understand that there is alot of gray area when it comes to supplements and what's in them, etc.

I guess I'm just tired of hearing about steroids and baseball, period.

I definitely agree that it's irresponsible of players to not know what it's things before they take them. I'm tired of it too. Can't someone just be naturally jacked? Just eat right and you'll get "most" of the vitamins you need and take a supplement of the vitamin you need. MUCH easier.

Also, the way that some of them do talk about it, it sounds SO sketchy, like someone pulls up in a rusty van with leis hanging from the rear view and saying, "Want some candy Barry?"

I'm just getting tired of hearing about these athletes who are playing the victim card. Oh I didn't know I was taking a banned substance... well if you really don't know what you're taking I can't feel sorry for you when it turns out that it was illegal. If you're putting something into your body and you're not sure what it is exactly, who's fault is that?

The problem is that you can walk into a 'nutrition center' and pick up two bottles of different supplements that guarantee the same results and appear to be composed of the same thing and have it turn out that one of them will trigger a steroid test and one will not.

On a side note, can you imagine the types of numbers Raffy would have put up if he had intentionally used steroids and bulked up to the size of McGwire and Giambi?

I don't know. He made a pretty compelling argumenton SportsCenter about why he didn't know any better...

What did he say?

Just eat right and you'll get "most" of the vitamins you need and take a supplement of the vitamin you need. MUCH easier.

Even if you go to your local gym, 75% of the guys in there lifting weights don't even do it au naturale. Shoot, go into a high school athlete's medicine closet and see what you find. It's pervasive throughout the country in athletic circles, yet everyone thinks its safe because they can buy it OTC.

I know, that's why I'm pissed that I work my ass off to be in shape and just eat right and stuff. It might get you jacked up quick, but it hurts your body SO bad.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2122193

A REALLY good article. Makes me change my mind and blame baseball for a lot of this...