Putting Things in Perspective

Before too long we'll be blaming Ramsey or Brunell (take your pick) for all sorts of things... like for McDonald's weak breakfast hours, or cold toilet seats, or for Jessica Simpson's butt turning flat again...

I knew it. I knew it... it is all Brunells fault...

I don't get all the concern with PR. It seems like we won't be completely happy with this guy unless he's completing 90% of his passes or he's transformed into Dan Marino overnight - neither of which is going to happen.

I think by and large the quaterback that we have seen in the past, and perhaps in this last game, is the pretty much the quaterback that we'll see this season. PR willl probably be a very good, solid quaterback throughout his career with a few 3,000+ yd seasons to show for it. His reading of defenses and some mechanics may improve some, but I don't think he'll ever be what we would consider a prolific passer.

It's only one preseason game....and it wasn't a bad game. I think we should just chill a little until the real "game day" get's here. Provided he stays healthy, he'll have a good solid year.

I don't get all the concern with PR. It seems like we won't be completely happy with this guy unless he's completing 90% of his passes or he's transformed into Dan Marino overnight - neither of which is going to happen.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

Some people aren't going to be happy unless he's flawless. Obviously he's never going to live up to some people's expectations. All I can say is thank god the fans don't run the team, otherwise we'd be starting a rookie, Ramsey would probably be traded, and Tim Hasselbeck would be the backup until Campbell throws a pick... and then he would be yanked and probably immediately traded.

The first preseason game for Ramsey was also the first preseason game for Jake Delhomme and Chris Weinke -- both of whom looked astoundingly better than Patrick Ramsey.

Your statement about 2003 not being "legitimate" is purely subjective, and qualifies only as an opinion. That Patrick Ramsey did, in fact, win the starting job in 2003 is indisputable fact; and completely destroys the notion that this year -- 2005 -- is Ramsey's first year starting as a rookie.

It was also the first preseason game for McNabb, Plummer, Losman, Harrington, and Rothlesburger. Those are the guys I saw that had pretty sub par performances in their first preseason game. I wonder If they're having QB contraversies? (I know harrington is... i'll save you the correction lol) Delhomme and Weinke are pretty sub-par QBs. If we're comparing, McNabb finished with a lower completion percentage than Ramsey 64% as opposed to 67% with one more TD and more yards, but 1.6257x the passes. McNabb threw a pick on his first pass.

Yes it is subjective, and thats why I said "I don't know if anyone would consider..." At this point you're being redundant. Of course it's subjective. If you didn't post anything subjective, this would be a news article. Just stats,facts, and maybe some history; no banter or opinion. Another fact that escapes you is that fact itself doesn't "destroy" notions. One can actually base a notion on ideas, and opinions, and sustain it through all facts. You ever watch the O.J. trial? A lot of non-fact notions came out on top there lol. (I just completely discredited my argument, I know lol)

I'm not going to try to blow smoke up my own ass by saying that there were "plenty of positives" on Saturday's game, that it made me "confident", or go back to the disaster that was the 2004 season and say "wow, look what Ramsey did in the final five games!"

Sir I believe that trying to blow anything up your own ass would be subjective. Furthermore what ramsey did do last season has to be taken into consideration when evaluating his performance. His stats are among the highest in the league for those last five games. 3-2, and coming really close in those two, makes me think, maybe we get off his back and stop trying to put things in our asses.

Sir I believe that trying to blow anything up your own ass would be subjective. Furthermore what ramsey did do last season has to be taken into consideration when evaluating his performance. His stats are among the highest in the league for those last five games. 3-2, and coming really close in those two, makes me think, maybe we get off his back and stop trying to put things in our asses.

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I think you hit the nail on the head.

Some people aren't going to be happy unless he's flawless. Obviously he's never going to live up to some people's expectations. All I can say is thank god the fans don't run the team, otherwise we'd be starting a rookie, Ramsey would probably be traded, and Tim Hasselbeck would be the backup until Campbell throws a pick... and then he would be yanked and probably immediately traded.

I somewhat agree here. If we just think strategically like an offensive coordinator for a minute, we don't need our QB to light the world on fire like Peyton Manning. We have a great defense, and we have one of the best RBs in the game. Our team should not be airing the ball out to win games, taking lots of risks. We need to control the clock, keep the chains moving, and limit turnovers.

I think Patten and Moss were brought here not so they could catch bombs, but so they could open up running lanes for Portis and more underneath passes. Sure, we want them to hit a deep pass sometimes, and sometimes we'll need it. But primarily, we need to get Portis to 4.5 yards per carry, and improve in short yardage situations. Gibbs will not ask Ramsey to set the world on fire like Manning, and neither should we.

But I am concerned about Ramsey's ability to throw deep. Last year Ramsey finished strong, but I don't remember him hitting on any long balls during that strong finish. There weren't many attempts, but when we did try it, he seemed inaccurate. Someone mentioned that there will be times when we need to air it out when we're behind in games. This is absolutely true. I'd like to see more attempts by Ramsey to throw deep in the preseason. I want him to show he can do it.

Ramsey made good decisions and good reads against the Panthers. I think he'll manage the offense well for Gibbs. But given a good offensive line and his new stronger arm, I think Brunell could manage the offense well too. I don't see Brunell making a lot of mental mistakes. If he can show that he can hit deeper targets, then I wouldn't be afraid to plug him in after four regular season games or so.

I agree, we don't need Ramsey to be Manning.

All we need is him to continue to improve upon his strong finish last year. If we have just an average passing attack, I think that's all we need to free things up in the running game, which make no mistake about it is going to be our bread and butter this year once again.

Look at this last 5 starts last year:

Giants: 19/22 174 yards 3 TD 0 INT
Eagles: 29/45 251 0 TD 1 INT
49ers: 18/27 214 1 TD 0 INT
Cowboys: 19/29 158 1 TD 2 INT
Vikings: 17/26 216 2 TD 1 INT

That's a QB rating of 94.98 folks.

If all he does this year is continue at this kind of pace, and mixes in a few more deep completions here and there, I really think the offense will be just fine.

Matty- your point about Ramsey playing well (statistically) in the the last five games last years; yet he is back to playing inconsistanly now makes me realize something:
Maybe Ramsey is not very good at handling presure. IN the last five games last year we were out of the playoff race, Brunnel had been banished to siberia and we were just playing out the season. No presure on Ramsey.
This year (as compared to last 5 games last year) is a new season with higher expectations (playoffs?) and Ramsey final chance to show he belongs in Washington. He played horribly last preseason when he was competing against Brunnell for the starting job. I think Ramsey chokes when the presure is turned up but plays well when the preasure is less. Could QB Campbell also be putting his shorts in a knot?


If Ramsey plays well on a consistant bases that is all we need. The problem is for every game he plays great, he follows it up with a bad game. It is not the physical part it is mental. He does always seem comfortable on the field. Ramsey needs to relax and have fun on the field. He is trying too hard.

Back to playing inconsistent?

8/12 for 77 yards isn't all that bad, granted I haven't seen the game but from what I've read it seems like he wasn't as bad as the kneejerk overreactions would indicate.

Let's at least give him the rest of the preseason before we say he's inconsistent or not. I see people (not on this forum necessarily) ready to toss in the towel after one preseason game.

Let me repeat that, one preseason game.

It seems like some people never learn this lesson, year after year people either get too excited or too down in the dumps during the preseason.