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That Guy 09-04-2005, 04:41 PM After being ''stuffed" during a drive, offensive teams had only a 27 percent success rate producing a first down."
well, its kind of hard to consider when the percentage rate of first downs without stuffs isn't listed :/
That Guy 09-04-2005, 04:48 PM Look I didn't say it wasn't a good D it was, like our was 2 years ago but it sure wasn't the third best like ours wasn't THE BEST of 2003 even thougth we surrender the least amount of points that year 14 point average.
The thing that I pointed out is that the NFL counts their top ranked defenses based on yards allowed and we know even though that's an important stat it doesn't tell the hole story.
The reality its that even thought your D was good last year it didn't face up with good offenses they only faced 5 teams on the top 15 in scoring offenses and they lost 5 out of the 6 games and surrender a 20.6 points average in those games to the 16.6 average you had the hole season.
The rest 10 teams didnt rack up over the top 20 scoring offese so you didnt face top socoring competition to test your Def. And to say that teams didn't knew they dind't had to score a lot of point to win the games that's just wack what do you think they don't do a GAMEPLAN before they face you.
They just woke up Sunday morning and say "hey lets pass all day long and see what happens". Come on each week they face you they new your offense couldn't score so after they score they just had to control the game clock and don't do stupid mistakes like TURNOVERS so they don't lose the game why risk it if you only need 16 points to beet your team.
Dont you think there's ANY relation to the 15 point average your offense had to the 16.6 point average your D allowed come on 8 teams under the to 20 scoring offenses and you could only win 4 out 10 of those games.
Your D was Good but it wasn't Great not when you can't beet or HOLD the best offenses out there. If your D dominates Chicago and SF this year you're going to say "WOW did you see that D ". Now if you hold KC, OAK and PHI to less than 16 points THEN you can say you have a great D.
why the hell do you keep dragging up the offense, the OFFENSE MADE THE DEFENSE WORSE, not better, they left them out there way longer than they should have had to be, and they gave the other team great field position. We're saying its good because it was good, consistantly... TO, who had OVER 130 yards in the SUPERBOWL, caught 2 for 22 yards against us. Moss had a crap performance too, the only WR to have any sort of success was chad johnson I believe.
And if you seriously believe Pro NFL teams didn't gameplan for us, you're either extremely delusional or just plain fuckign nuts. What do you think NFL teams do all week? play hopscotch?
skinsguy 09-04-2005, 05:51 PM D'Boyz is bringing up the offense, because he realizes his case concerning our defense is weak at best. Actually, I would say it's pretty idiotic, but I'll give him some credit for trying to be creative. Of course, his credibility is completely lost when he says, "I didn't say the defense was bad."
D'Boyz, I think you need to quit before you make a bigger fool out of yourself. I can understand if you're unable to give any credit to your biggest rivals - I'm sure it's tough, but if you're not disagreeing with us that the Redskins' defense isn't bad as what Dr. Z suggested, then what is your point? I suggest you're struggling to come up with an answer that is slightly intelligent without mentioning our offense.
More than likely, if Dallas had the #3 or even the #1 defense last year, rank would mean everything to you then.
la73hof 09-04-2005, 09:54 PM Here's his half-assed explanation:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/dr_z/09/01/predictions.explanation/
4. REDSKINS (4-12)
I know this is a vicious prediction, and since Washington has some of the most dedicated e-mailers in the land, I expect to hear from an army of them next week, just as I did last year when I picked the Skins ... what ... 5-11 or something like that? Gregg Williams' defense shouldn't let this happen, but it was good last year, too, and so what? I think the Patrick Ramsey-Mark Brunell-Jason Campbell merry-go-round is a bad situation and the sign of a deeper problem -- namely that this team doesn't quite know what it's doing.
If turns out to be true, the trade for Capmbell turns out as bad as the Falcons (on draft day of '99) trading their '00 1st round pick to the Ravens for Reggie Kelly
The season before, the Falcons went to the SuperBowl and figured their '00 first round pick would be a low 1st rounder
The Falcons fell apart and the Ravens wound up with the 5th overall pick in the draft
That player was Jamal Lewis
Not saying its going to happen, but, is Jason Campbell woth a top 5 pick?
Time would tell...
12thMan 09-04-2005, 10:18 PM Exactly, time will tell. And as far as Dr. Zs quote, it's really not worth posting here. That is if you're trying to draw some type of analysis from him.
He said we have a merry-go-round situation at QB. Which says to me he has no idea what's going on here in D.C, and IMO I can discredit a lot more of what he has said about the Skins for '05.
la73hof 09-04-2005, 10:28 PM Exactly, time will tell. And as far as Dr. Zs quote, it's really not worth posting here. That is if you're trying to draw some type of analysis from him.
He said we have a merry-go-round situation at QB. Which says to me he has no idea what's going on here in D.C, and IMO I can discredit a lot more of what he has said about the Skins for '05.
For all the grief Bledsoe catches around here--which is understandable and to be expected...
Ramsey looks a lot like him
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 09-04-2005, 10:42 PM For all the grief Bledsoe catches around here--which is understandable and to be expected...
Ramsey looks a lot like him
Bledsoe and Ramsey are similar enough to warrant such a comparison. Both Bledsoe and (to a lesser extent) Ramsey are dangerous if given good protection. However, I think our offensive line is far superior to the line that Dallas has put together; hence our Bledsoe-bashing.
la73hof 09-04-2005, 10:47 PM Bledsoe and Ramsey are similar enough to warrant such a comparison. Both Bledsoe and (to a lesser extent) Ramsey are dangerous if given good protection. However, I think our offensive line is far superior to the line that Dallas has put together; hence our Bledsoe-bashing.
I think you will be proven wrong...but we shall indeed see
D'BOYZ 09-05-2005, 11:46 AM why the hell do you keep dragging up the offense, the OFFENSE MADE THE DEFENSE WORSE, not better, they left them out there way longer than they should have had to be, and they gave the other team great field position. We're saying its good because it was good, consistantly... TO, who had OVER 130 yards in the SUPERBOWL, caught 2 for 22 yards against us. Moss had a crap performance too, the only WR to have any sort of success was chad johnson I believe.
And if you seriously believe Pro NFL teams didn't gameplan for us, you're either extremely delusional or just plain fuckign nuts. What do you think NFL teams do all week? play hopscotch?
Man I said totally the opositte I said THAT TEAMS DID GAMEPLAN for you dad was refeard to some 1 tha tsaid tha the offense had nothing to do wit hand that teams didn't tried to control the game. I said taht becasue they new you didnt had a offense treath they didn't had to play cach up or try to rack up a lot o points they new that getting more than 2 TD was enough thats it and tryed not to risk giving away the ball.
Again I said your D was good very good and still is but it wasn't great and it wasn't the 3rd overall D because it didn't face a lot of top scoring offenses and the 1's they faced scored more then your average points so they could hold them back they could shot down some players but yo say owens and moss they both scored int their respective games and 66 yard ain't a crappy performance is average but not crap.
D'BOYZ 09-05-2005, 01:03 PM I
I'm just curious, who would you say had the best defenses in the league last year. Under no circumstances could any rational person say that our defense was not in the top 5 last year.
Also, I would like to know in what areas you think the Redskins defense of 2004 needed to improve.
Ok ramsey here it go the D that I believe rank better than Was.
#1 Bal even though they had a baaaad offense (they rank up as the 20) they played 9 games vs 7 top 15 offense scoring teams end held the moyoirty of them including IND (38point average) held to 20 and KC 32 point avr to 24 had 34 take aways alot of them resulting in TD and excelent field posision they held their opponets to a 16.8 point average and help their team to a 9-7 record thats wha ta great d does to a bad offense gives the m mroe wepons to win.
#2 Pitt they only faced 5 games vs top 15 offenses they held them to a small margin had 32 takeaways and you can't arguew that a lot of the 15 -1 season was because of the domination of their D they also had the lowest point per game allowed 15.7
#3 NE we knoe what this D does to opposing offense they fear playing vs this d just ask peyton lol and mcnabb to that matter they allowed only 16.2 per game had an amazing 36 takeaways and faced 7 top 15 offenses.
#4 Jacksonville also helped a subpar offense to a 9-7 season and most of the time kept them in the game or won the game for them the had a 17.5 average a 27 takeaways but played 11 games vs top 15 offenses and in 6 cases didnt allowed them more than 18 points. played with the 29th scoring offense.
#5 NYJ they are manly (and curtis) the reason the yreach the playoffs last year had 33 yake aways held hel teams to a 15.7 point average played 8 games vs top 15 offenses and i n4 cases held them for less that 17 points.
The other ones you can put also in the mix are PHI 16.2 average 28 takeawys played vs 5 top 15 offenses but we all know how that D stacks up during playoffs the y had prove it 4 years in a row, And Buffalo 17.8 point average but 36 take aways 1 of the reason that buff almost made a comeback late las t year (magahee included) faced 14 top 15 scoring offesense.
All of this D generated the tools to make their teams succesfull and even thought they didnt reach the playoff in some cases the had more then a .500 average and alot of them played in the AFC wich we know was 10 times better than the NFC last season and still held their grown.
Hope this help and what your team needs to be better is just generate more turnovers put your offense in more of an advantage position and held your grown vs TOP scoring offenses don't lose key players to injury. thats it.
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