Soooo, for each of us, what is the breaking point for Gibbs?

As long as he wants to be here.

Gibbs will know when to walk away. Snyder is not going to fire him.

Is a QB change really the end of the world? Must be for some people. Guess I didn't realize Ramsey was the 2nd coming of Montana.

Exactly Matty! Ramsey has shown very little improvement over the past three years. I don't think Brunnell is all that either, but its just a QB change, its really not that big of a deal when you didn't have an ace in the hole to begin with!

I don't know how you would say this is a team in crises. We are 1 & 0. We have to face the fact that Ramsey was turning the ball over way to often and he only threw for two touchdowns in about 7 quarters and turned the ball over about 6 times (that is including his playing time in pre and regular season). I still feel the Campbell trade was for our QB of the future if Ramsey did not step up. I do feel Ramsey was not given enough time but I'm not the coach. If Brunell does not guide us to some wins early I think we will see Campbell come in. That would give Gibbs 3 1/2 seasons with Campbell to take us to the SB. I feel he did sign a five year deal because that is how long he feels it will take to make a push for the SB and he should be given those five years.

Crisis???
Man, this whole QB thing is getting out of hand.
This is not a crisis for me, it the usual step when a player fails..you get rid of them, just like we got rid of Heath Shuler.
This is only a crisis for the devoted Ramsey fans. The ones that would rather fire Gibbs than get rid of Ramsey. The ones that want to see Ramsey come back on another team and beat us. You know who you are.

we have a team without a qb, thats the only problem, trying to win now with a maxed cap and no solid choice at qb right now...

I hate to say it, but if we go 4-12 i'd have to consider it, unless we're throwing away the year for campbell to get experience.

The fans may be in crisis, but I guarantee you the team is not.

They still have a job to do no matter who is behind center. I don't buy this myth that the team secretly wants Ramsey over Brunell.

The team wants to win no matter what. If Brunell produces and the team is winning all will be fine.

As a "lady" skins fan, I believe more thought needs to be put into the fact that we are talking about "THE GREAT JOE GIBBS" here. Given time, Joe makes things happen. That is seen in everything he touches...the guy went to racing and made that work for crying out loud...it is only season two since he has come home. That is the biggest problem with our Skins team as is, there are too many changes and not enough time given to create a relationship of any kind be it coach, quarterback or otherwise. I am one of the Skins fans that was rooting for Patrick too but screw that, it's time to win football games now and if Mr. Gibbs feels Brunnell can get the job done, then he has my full support!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And mine...

I was reading something in the paper today reminding us that the same thing happened to Rypien and he was taken aside and worked on his technique. Even though it's heavily implied, Gibbs didn't make any broad statements that Brunell would be the starter for the foreseable future. I think he wants to work with Ramsey, and he feels that given how Brunell performed last year against the Cowboys, that he might be a good person to start this one.

I had so much respect for Joe, before he made this last personnel move with Ramsey. Joe is a players coach, but I think he went against his character/moral beliefs with this decision. There is a definite inhouse problem arising in the skins lockerroom. I think that if the skins go 6-10 again or less; yes I think the big $$ man will go to Joe. I think that his conservative play calling and decision making is not at that Hall Fame level anymore. Ramsey has proven his commitment to the team (by being on his back so much from being sacked or hit every other play); Joe broke his commitment to Patrick. The truth is that Joe and Skins leadership have a vision to put Campbell in the starting Chair in the next year or so. Don't be surprised by the middle of the season that Ramsey is dropped to #3 on QB Depth Chart.

J



We are in the midst of a crisis in Redskins Nation. Never before have I seen such in-fighting after A WIN! Its obvious that our team is in turmoil. That being said, at what point for each of you would you actually call for a coaching change? Gibbs got a pass his first season. But in his second season Gibbs has bungled a couple of things, i.e. the trading of draft picks for Campbell, the Ramsey is my starter, etc. So here is the question: What is your breaking point? For me, if we finish this season with 6 wins or less, given the way Gibbs has handled this team, that would be enough to call for the Great One's resignation. Thoughts? Again, Im not picking a fight with the Gibbs supporters, Im merely asking when in your opinion what scenario would call for a coaching change.

Here's the question you have to ask yourself:

What other coaching candidate out there would be an upgrade over Joe Gibbs?

My answer: nobody. In fact, I wouldn't trade Gibbs for anybody, employed or not. I'd call Belichik his equal. Parcells is good too, though I hate his guts.

I hate it when the Cowboys win. It looks at though Parcells has been feasting on shit all game.

He has the most shit-eating grin I've ever seen.