Time to revisit my April post...

I think a first rounder is definitely out of the question, a 2nd rounder maybe... but more likely a 3rd or lower.


I agree. Ramsey's a good guy and I think he still has a chance to be a heck of a player in this league no matter if it's with the Redskins or not. Though, I think right now, we're still talking about potiential and potiential isn't worth much if it doesn't turn into fact.

I think a 3rd rounder is pretty safe.

Ramsey blows goats. We'd be lucky to get a 2nd rounder for him.

I do believe the question has to be asked, why has Ramsey's value plumeted so much in 1 year? We were being offered a high #1 pick when he wasen't available a year ago, now after 1 year with Gibbs he's not worth anything significant? The question is why? What did he do his first 2 years that raised his value, to what happened over the coarse of the past year to lower it? Not only has Gibbs IMO railroaded this kid, he has played this situation so ignorantly that he has just about sucked away any value Patrick would have had in a trade, at least on the surface.

not trading him early or not starting him after practicing him all off-season is a stumble either way you look at it. Gibbs will recover of course, but its one more thing we've had to overcome.

and yes, at Ramsey's expense. hasn't been fair for the kid being drafted here.

I do believe the question has to be asked, why has Ramsey's value plumeted so much in 1 year?

Simply that being good enough to start and being a true take charge leader are two different things. I think Ramsey is still good enough to start for us or any team in the league, but he hasn't proven to be a take charge leader like a P. Manning, McNabb, or Farve. I haven't seen any evidence that Patrick is good enough to warrant a trade for a number one pick. If so, great..that's good for us and I'd be happy knowing I was wrong about Ramsey.

Ramey had value before he played many games because he had POTENTIAL as a young strong armed QB. But then he played enough games for anyone not blinded by burgundy colored glasses to see that he was nothing special at best and a slow, inaccurate INT machine at worst. Gibbs didn't make Ramsey's value plummet, Ramsey did by playing like crap. Teams that were once willing to gamble a higher pick on Ramsey's potential now realize that his actual value is far less. Again, not Gibb's fault, Ramsey's. If you play like a fair-to-middlin' QB, your value is fair-to-middlin'.

Yeah, like I said....potential doesn't get you anywhere until it turns into fact.

Ramey had value before he played many games because he had POTENTIAL as a young strong armed QB. But then he played enough games for anyone not blinded by burgundy colored glasses to see that he was nothing special at best and a slow, inaccurate INT machine at worst. Gibbs didn't make Ramsey's value plummet, Ramsey did by playing like crap. Teams that were once willing to gamble a higher pick on Ramsey's potential now realize that his actual value is far less. Again, not Gibb's fault, Ramsey's. If you play like a fair-to-middlin' QB, your value is fair-to-middlin'.

really shouldn't start this again. as 'bad' as Ramsey played last year, Brunell played unequivocally worse.

as for potential, in a working offense in real games, can't prove potential without a chance. a chance he was supposed to get but didn't.

Ramey had value before he played many games because he had POTENTIAL as a young strong armed QB. But then he played enough games for anyone not blinded by burgundy colored glasses to see that he was nothing special at best and a slow, inaccurate INT machine at worst. Gibbs didn't make Ramsey's value plummet, Ramsey did by playing like crap. Teams that were once willing to gamble a higher pick on Ramsey's potential now realize that his actual value is far less. Again, not Gibb's fault, Ramsey's. If you play like a fair-to-middlin' QB, your value is fair-to-middlin'.

Exactly... I agree, Ramsey has had a part in his stock dropping, let's not kid ourselves.

The knocks on him from earlier in his career still remain. He holds on to the ball too long, he doesn't have great touch, and he still makes too many silly mistakes.

That's not Gibbs' fault.

I still think he has some potential and somebody out there will undoubtedly take a chance on him to see if they can tap in to that potential.

if it was so plain to see last season and before, why did Gibbs not only hold on to him, but make him a starter and dedicate the off-season to him?

whatever he was worth at the end of last season, he's certainly not worth that now.

that said, can you imagine the luck of having your first NFL coach being a rookie NFL college coach who didn't believe in tight ends? that wasn't his fault. he's had it very raw here.