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railcon56 11-14-2005, 11:24 AM His "schemes" have been torched for 36 points 2 out of the last 3 games and seem to give up big play after big play in all of our games.
That man is a defensive genius:yeahright ..oh shit dallas is ranked ahead of us in defense.... :hitfan:
gortiz 11-14-2005, 11:52 AM keep in mind that the offense handed them a TD. and of course there were some questionable calls. still the D is not looking good. i think that we really need some quality DLmen.
Defense is no doubt lacking, and giving up big plays, but our offense is still crapping the bed when it comes to feild position and turnovers. How can everyone not see that?
We gave up alot of points and took points off the board because of turnovers, and yes penalties. How big of a momentum killer was that holding penality that brought back the Moss play? How big of a momentum killer was the Brunell fumble that took the chance away for 7 points?
Also don't forget we got 7 points off a KO return and 7 off a great defensive play. That knocks the offensive point total to 21.
#56fanatic 11-14-2005, 11:56 AM Defense is no doubt lacking, and giving up big plays, but our offense is still crapping the bed when it comes to feild position and turnovers. How can everyone not see that?
We gave up alot of points and took points off the board because of turnovers, and yes penalties. How big of a momentum killer was that holding penality that brought back the Moss play? How big of a momentum killer was the Brunell fumble that took the chance away for 7 points?
Also don't forget we got 7 points off a KO return and 7 off a great defensive play. That knocks the offensive point total to 21.
Yes our Offense gave a few turnovers away, however we did put up 35 points against the NFLs #1 defense. I would say that whenever one scores 35 points you should win the game. Our defense gave up 36 points. I dont see the blame coming towards our offense totally responsable for the loss. Anytime you score that many points, over 95% of the time you should win. Our defense let us down yesterday, our offense let us down, and our coaching let us down with some play calling and the refs, all in all it was an all around effort to lose that game, not the offense.
jermus22 11-14-2005, 12:36 PM The tide turned in the 2nd half of the Seattle game, when Alexander starting running all over us. We were lights out the first 2 1/2 games. Since then, our defense has only shut down the Eagles, which may have had something to do with the T.O. factor.
My thoughts exactly! Our offense did fine but our d got smoked too often.
CrazyCanuck 11-14-2005, 01:45 PM I'm a Greg Williams fan and still am. I think his schemes are fine but teams are catching on and more importantly he's missing some talent.
But I was upset at the D on the final drive yesterday. There's 1 minute left, they have no timeouts, a rookie QB and 40+ yards to cover. It's criminal to give up the deep pass there. We hadn't gotten pressure all day despite the blitzes. Plus our secondary was a disaster all game. Why gamble and leave the game in the hands of Prioleau or Harris or whoever? As soon as I saw our blitz picked up and the ball in the air I knew we were dead. We are that weak back there.
Why give Simms an out by completing one long pass? Give the guy the short dumpoffs, let the clock run and let's see if he can march all the way to the end zone. Plus by giving him the small stuff you are slowly shrinking the field on him making things tougher and tougher. The previous series they drove the ball all the way to our 10 before stalling. Part of the reason they stalled was the shorter field deep in our zone.
A VERY disappointing day from the D yesterday.
Bozzy 11-14-2005, 02:34 PM His "schemes" have been torched for 36 points 2 out of the last 3 games and seem to give up big play after big play in all of our games.
To be fair, Tampa Bay with the #1 rushing D in the league yielded 185 yards on the ground and 35 points.
Just to put it in perspective.
Yeah I wonder if Bucs fans are calling for Monte Kiffin's head today.
Bozzy 11-14-2005, 02:40 PM LOL Probably.
We may have lost, but we exposed Tampa's defense.
Longtimefan 11-14-2005, 05:56 PM I'm a Greg Williams fan and still am. I think his schemes are fine but teams are catching on and more importantly he's missing some talent.
But I was upset at the D on the final drive yesterday. There's 1 minute left, they have no timeouts, a rookie QB and 40+ yards to cover. It's criminal to give up the deep pass there. We hadn't gotten pressure all day despite the blitzes. Plus our secondary was a disaster all game. Why gamble and leave the game in the hands of Prioleau or Harris or whoever? As soon as I saw our blitz picked up and the ball in the air I knew we were dead. We are that weak back there.
Why give Simms an out by completing one long pass? Give the guy the short dumpoffs, let the clock run and let's see if he can march all the way to the end zone. Plus by giving him the small stuff you are slowly shrinking the field on him making things tougher and tougher. The previous series they drove the ball all the way to our 10 before stalling. Part of the reason they stalled was the shorter field deep in our zone.
A VERY disappointing day from the D yesterday.
What you sat is absolutely correct, however I'm still of the opinion that our last posession of the game before TB scored the tying TD was the most critical. We should not have given them the ball back with that much time on the clock the way our defense was in retreat. We should have taken a reasonable approach to gaining a first down, and running out the clock. I'm just not convinced that running play gave us the best opportunity.
skinsguy 11-14-2005, 07:37 PM What you sat is absolutely correct, however I'm still of the opinion that our last posession of the game before TB scored the tying TD was the most critical. We should not have given them the ball back with that much time on the clock the way our defense was in retreat. We should have taken a reasonable approach to gaining a first down, and running out the clock. I'm just not convinced that running play gave us the best opportunity.
What is your definition of a "reasonable approach" to getting the first down? If you pass the ball on that 3 and 2, and it falls incomplete, you leave the Bucs with even more time on the clock to drive down the field, or even worse, you through an INT and they return it for a touchdown. The most reasonable approach to gain a first down, in that situation, was made. We just didn't get it.
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