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We would then have to ask what does he owe Brunell if he was brought here to win? Because that clearly has not happened under Brunell, the state of our team right now is not a state of progress, this team is regressing.

The question is why did Gibbs name Ramsey the starter to begin with? I believe the reason was he looked 1000 times better than Brunell last season.


What is your point? Of course that is why Ramsey was named the starter, and lost his job this year because he didn't show the same improvement this year as he did last year. It's not that difficult to understand.

What is the fascination over Patrick Ramsey?

What is your point? Of course that is why Ramsey was named the starter, and lost his job this year because he didn't show the same improvement this year as he did last year. It's not that difficult to understand.

What is the fascination over Patrick Ramsey?

The backup QB is always the most popular QB in town because he hasn't had the chance to mess things up. So of course we like to daydream about what could have been, rather than face the reality that if he was good enough to hold the job he'd be starting all along.

But that can be easily countered by the old reliable conspiracy theories. The coaches don't like him. They like Brunell because he's a fine, church going fella. Brunell is the starter because they have more money tied up in him. Ramsey wasn't given a "fair shake", despite having the entire offseason and preseason to cement himself as the unquestioned #1.

Just remember, when in doubt blame Brunell and wonder WWRD.

I hear what your saying but Ramsey the Best of the bunch? We are in trouble if that is true!!! Ramsey is a back up QB in the NFL. Yes he will get another starting job for some team but he will fail. He needs a lot of work and maybe he might be Brees but not likey.

You may be right, but we really don't know at this point because he's not playing, how soon people like to forget how badly Brees was potrayed only to rise above and become an all pro, that could never happen he was a lowsey QB and yet it did, but everyone knows Ramsey wouldn't, well the kid deserved the chance to prove it and never really got one.

How's Jake Plummer doing this year? Has he progressed as a QB in his third year in denver? I think so! And he was vastly more experienced than Ramsey before he was signed by Denver, but it is impossible for Ramsey to become a good QB, why? Because Gibbs said so by not giving him a chance.

What is your point? Of course that is why Ramsey was named the starter, and lost his job this year because he didn't show the same improvement this year as he did last year. It's not that difficult to understand.

What is the fascination over Patrick Ramsey?


What is the fascination over Brunell? Certainly not our win-lose record under him?

So what did you see out of Ramsey that 1st quarter against the bears that lead you to the conclusion that Ramsey is garbage?

I guess you want to point out the pre-season where Ramsey was facing NFL starters, with brand new WR's, and Brunell was facing the UPS loading dock crew.

So what did you see out of Ramsey that 1st quarter against the bears that lead you to the conclusion that Ramsey is garbage?

How about a sparkling 49.4 QB rating with an INT and 2 fumbles for starters?

I guess you want to point out the pre-season where Ramsey was facing NFL starters, with brand new WR's, and Brunell was facing the UPS loading dock crew.

So why did Ramsey struggle so mightily in the preseason with the new group of guys around him on offense, yet Brunell was able to step right in and post QB ratings of at least 81.5 and 2 games over 100 in his first 5 starts?

What is the fascination over Brunell? Certainly not our win-lose record under him?

So what did you see out of Ramsey that 1st quarter against the bears that lead you to the conclusion that Ramsey is garbage?

I guess you want to point out the pre-season where Ramsey was facing NFL starters, with brand new WR's, and Brunell was facing the UPS loading dock crew.

First of all, I never said Ramsey is garbage. I never made that comment. I have stated repeatedly that I think Ramsey is a good guy and going to be a decent QB in the league, but he hasn't developed the tools for it just yet. I also added that I believe he'll be a late bloomer quarterback that will have his best years after he's been in the league for several seasons. Right now, Ramsey has not proven himself to be the go to guy yet. That is why I ask, what is the fascination about Patrick Ramsey other than this dream of what you hope he will be, but not what he is presently.

Don't give me that crap about Ramsey had to face starters in the preseason and attempt to use that as a valid excuse as to why he isn't the starter. Ramsey is suppose to play against starters during the regular season. Using that excuse only further proves the point that he isn't ready to start for the Redskins. Secondly, Mark Brunell has not only proven himself renewed from preseason, but he has played pretty well this whole season. I'm not suggesting he has played flawlessly, but his overall play has been more than good to justify him being in the starting lineup over Patrick Ramsey. If it was Ramsey that proved himself the man, I'd support him. The bottom line is, I want this team to win, and at this moment, Mark Brunell gives us the best chance at doing so. If Patrick Ramsey comes in and proves me wrong...by all means I will root for him to do so.

How about a sparkling 49.4 QB rating with an INT and 2 fumbles for starters?



So why did Ramsey struggle so mightily in the preseason with the new group of guys around him on offense, yet Brunell was able to step right in and post QB ratings of at least 81.5 and 2 games over 100 in his first 5 starts?


What was his rating after the first 2 games?

First of all, I never said Ramsey is garbage. I never made that comment. I have stated repeatedly that I think Ramsey is a good guy and going to be a decent QB in the league, but he hasn't developed the tools for it just yet. I also added that I believe he'll be a late bloomer quarterback that will have his best years after he's been in the league for several seasons. Right now, Ramsey has not proven himself to be the go to guy yet. That is why I ask, what is the fascination about Patrick Ramsey other than this dream of what you hope he will be, but not what he is presently.

Don't give me that crap about Ramsey had to face starters in the preseason and attempt to use that as a valid excuse as to why he isn't the starter. Ramsey is suppose to play against starters during the regular season. Using that excuse only further proves the point that he isn't ready to start for the Redskins. Secondly, Mark Brunell has not only proven himself renewed from preseason, but he has played pretty well this whole season. I'm not suggesting he has played flawlessly, but his overall play has been more than good to justify him being in the starting lineup over Patrick Ramsey. If it was Ramsey that proved himself the man, I'd support him. The bottom line is, I want this team to win, and at this moment, Mark Brunell gives us the best chance at doing so. If Patrick Ramsey comes in and proves me wrong...by all means I will root for him to do so.

So you don't believe that the possibility exists that the reason defenses stack the D-lines and shut down the running game has nothing to do with Brunells inability to throw the ball downfield with any kind of velocity?

Plenty of QB's in this league can dink and dunk which is what we do for the most part, there are plenty of stats to point to for both sides of the issue but the bottom line is we are not winning, and the last 3 games were absolutly winnable, as it was stated somewhere, we came from ahead to lose another one late, Brunell if he is the man, and the QB to lead us to a SB, then he has to pull those games out, there was nothing monumental he had to do to win any of those games, he was in a position to make a difference and FAILED!

What was his rating after the first 2 games?

After the first two games it was 82.3, after his first two starts it was 87.8... I don't see your point. :confused:

How about a sparkling 49.4 QB rating with an INT and 2 fumbles for starters?



So why did Ramsey struggle so mightily in the preseason with the new group of guys around him on offense, yet Brunell was able to step right in and post QB ratings of at least 81.5 and 2 games over 100 in his first 5 starts?

I seem to remember pointing this out when Ramsey was stinking it up during preseason when it was actually happening. But everyone said I was "rushing to judgment."

Interesting.