Santana Moss Personal Foul

He must have had some really choice words for the refs to bring on a 15-yard penalty.

He needed to blow off some steam, not a big deal since Hall nailed the FG anyway, but if he didn't...

a little frustration during that stretch of the game,no big deal.if anyone on this team deserves some leeway,its moss

Did you guys watch the game? he was clearly mugged by the d back and ref was standing right there and didn't call it. that's what he peeved about.it happened in the bronco/chief game too. lynch was peeved about something and went off on the refs.something need to be done about the refs. there's no and i mean no accountability what so ever and that is never a good thing.

Did you guys watch the game? he was clearly mugged by the d back and ref was standing right there and didn't call it. that's what he peeved about.it happened in the bronco/chief game too. lynch was peeved about something and went off on the refs.something need to be done about the refs. there's no and i mean no accountability what so ever and that is never a good thing.They do review how the Ref's call games and the ones that do a better jod of making the calls or not making the calls gat to ref the bigger games. Does anyone know how often refs get fired or disciplined for bad play calling or is that an NFL secret.

Part of the problem is that these guys do this part time - they all have real jobs. There is just too much money at stake with these games not to have full time refs. What's another $15 million or so to pay these guys $100k per year? You could have 20 8-man crews and each club would be out $500k.

Did you guys watch the game? he was clearly mugged by the d back and ref was standing right there and didn't call it. that's what he peeved about.it happened in the bronco/chief game too. lynch was peeved about something and went off on the refs.something need to be done about the refs. there's no and i mean no accountability what so ever and that is never a good thing.
That's the biggest problem. There is no apparent accountability. It seems like the NFL just has no desire the try and help these guys make the right initial calls. There are hundreds of calls/no-calls in a game. Heck there are 10 or so on every play so I don't expect them to be perfect. But I do expect them to at least give the impression that they are working to make these refs better. In this league one play can change an entire season. One play can mean the difference between playoffs and not. In the other major sports there are more calls to be made and that reduces the effect of a single call/no-call on a season. In football when a call loses a game for you it costs you 1/16th of your season. That'd be like one missed called in a baseball game losing you 10 games! Or 5 in basketball or hockey. I actually wonder whether the issue is more with the refs or whether the rule book is simply too complicated or perhaps too insufficient to govern games. It seems like there is little common sense to some rules. I am just tired of thinking "well if we had done this in the game or if they had been able to make this happen or IF THE REFS HADN'T blown this call then we probably would have won." That last part needs to get reduced.

They do review how the Ref's call games and the ones that do a better jod of making the calls or not making the calls gat to ref the bigger games. Does anyone know how often refs get fired or disciplined for bad play calling or is that an NFL secret.
I don't think it is policy to make that information public except in extreme cases like the initial tuck rule game where the ref made the correct ruling and they backed him up. Basically only in situations where they need to publically support a call or apologize for public relations reasons.

I don't think it is policy to make that information public except in extreme cases like the initial tuck rule game where the ref made the correct ruling and they backed him up. Basically only in situations where they need to publically support a call or apologize for public relations reasons.

Where was our apology for miscalling Alstott's 2 point conversion in the TB game? :mad:

Where was our apology for miscalling Alstott's 2 point conversion in the TB game? :mad:
Good question. Or last year's Packers game. Or the fumble by Jordan on the goal line in the Raider's game. Or the botched off side call in the in the TB game. Of the botched calls in Philly last year. Just to name a few. We have had quite a number of calls that had big negative impacts against us in the last two years. It's probably because we are losing so many close games so these missed calls get magnified to us but it seems like we have a hex or something on us when it comes to refs. It is tiresome.

They apparently don't feel the need to offer apologies to the Skins and their fans. Makes you wonder why.

Or the botched off side call in the in the TB game. Of the botched calls in Philly last year. Just to name a few. We have had quite a number of calls that had big negative impacts against us in the last two years. It's probably because we are losing so many close games so these missed calls get magnified to us but it seems like we have a hex or something on us when it comes to refs. It is tiresome.

Don't forget the bad forced-out call against us in the TB game!

They apparently don't feel the need to offer apologies to the Skins and their fans. Makes you wonder why.

It really does - I picked the Alstott call because there is no disputing that it cost us the game. However, you are right that we just don't seem to get any respect from the league.

Perhaps the league resents Snyder's financial success with the Skins?