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Old 07-18-2007, 03:58 PM   #181
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I was basically looking at Megaopolis v. Megaopolis. Like L.A. v. NYC
Wow, that would be even harder cause it's the state that executes, not the city. I wonder if they even have those kinds of stats?
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I was basically looking at Megaopolis v. Megaopolis. Like L.A. v. NYC
I would be very interested in those stats too though.
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:57 PM   #183
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Did I say that?
Nothing like taking a post out of context eh?

ps- we used to have public hangings here in the good ole USA.
My only point was that we shouldn't emulate countries that cut the hands off of low-level criminals. I also simply cannot agree with the whole public hangings deal.
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My only point was that we shouldn't emulate countries that cut the hands off of low-level criminals. I also simply cannot agree with the whole public hangings deal.
That's cool...I understand if you can't agree.
I just feel we need to do something about all these issues, and it seems crimes are getting worse / more frequent.
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Old 07-19-2007, 01:12 AM   #185
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That's cool...I understand if you can't agree.
I just feel we need to do something about all these issues, and it seems crimes are getting worse / more frequent.
Yeah. Sex offenders in particular need much harsher sentences. I'm so tired of reading articles in my newspaper about sex offenders with 2 or 3 priors who raped and/or murdered some girl. I'd actually be for lopping off manhoods for certain sex crimes. See....we have some common ground.
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Yeah. Sex offenders in particular need much harsher sentences. I'm so tired of reading articles in my newspaper about sex offenders with 2 or 3 priors who raped and/or murdered some girl. I'd actually be for lopping off manhoods for certain sex crimes. See....we have some common ground.
LOL...then you must have liked my comment about allowing the victims family to go into a room with the guy and no rules apply, they carry out their own justice. If the man comes out dead, then so be it.
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LOL...then you must have liked my comment about allowing the victims family to go into a room with the guy and no rules apply, they carry out their own justice. If the man comes out dead, then so be it.
Yes, I agree 110%. People may say that taking someones life will not justify what that person has done, bullshit...
I have a son (7) and two girls (1) & (3) and I know for a fact that I would want nothing more than to kill anyone that would hurt my children like that. PERIOD!!!

About 6 months ago a guy, who only lives down the street from me, was convicted of over 52 sex acts commitied to a 6 year old boy. In my own personal opinion that man should not be alowed to live anymore. That grown man may not have murdered the boy but he just might as well have. I am sure when you are that young and something that dramatic happens to you, it will f*ck your head up...
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Yes, I agree 110%. People may say that taking someones life will not justify what that person has done, bullshit...
I have a son (7) and two girls (1) & (3) and I know for a fact that I would want nothing more than to kill anyone that would hurt my children like that. PERIOD!!!

About 6 months ago a guy, who only lives down the street from me, was convicted of over 52 sex acts commitied to a 6 year old boy. In my own personal opinion that man should not be alowed to live anymore. That grown man may not have murdered the boy but he just might as well have. I am sure when you are that young and something that dramatic happens to you, it will f*ck your head up...
Absolutely...that kid will be messed up for life now. His whole family should be allowed to go into a room with this guy for a few hours, and pull toe nails, cut off wiener...whatever they want. If we had that kind of judicial system, then these crazy sick acts might not take place as frequently.
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That is also why I am glad that the second admendment holds true today. Like I said the guy only lived minutes away from my house. I don't know if he would come into my house and try to get one of my children but knowing that if anyone would try, I am alowed to have a form of defense to protect my family...
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That is also why I am glad that the second admendment holds true today. Like I said the guy only lived minutes away from my house. I don't know if he would come into my house and try to get one of my children but knowing that if anyone would try, I am alowed to have a form of defense to protect my family...
In New Mexico, you are legally allowed to kill a man that intrudes in your house. If you put a bullet in his spine, he can sue, so you need to kill him if you pull the trigger. I like that law.
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No, I got your point and then used the rhetorical tool of hyperbole to demonstrate the absurdity of it if carried to its logical extreme.

I understand your point - You have a right to carry guns. My point is that the public has the right to regulate inherently dangerous things such as guns.
What your are failing to realize is that when you regulate guns you are only regulating the Law obiding citizens. If I guy wants to use a gun against the law, then a Reulation or a Law is certainly not going to stop him. All your gun laws do is hinder me "the honest law obiding buyer" from attaining one.

Bye the way you are not the only one with children. I would never be packing anywhere near where children are playing. Will I cary one with me in downtown D.C. You are dog on right I will.
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In New Mexico, you are legally allowed to kill a man that intrudes in your house. If you put a bullet in his spine, he can sue, so you need to kill him if you pull the trigger. I like that law.
If anything ever escalated to a point where I were going to pull out a gun, the only way that person would leave would be in a body bag...especially if it was in my home. There won't be any chance for retaliation. If/when I buy a gun, it will be kept in my home and if my home is ever invaded and I feel I need to get my gun, it's probably going to have to be me or them. No chance I wave around a gun with no intention of using after you've broken into my home...none.
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If anything ever escalated to a point where I were going to pull out a gun, the only way that person would leave would be in a body bag...especially if it was in my home. There won't be any chance for retaliation. If/when I buy a gun, it will be kept in my home and if my home is ever invaded and I feel I need to get my gun, it's probably going to have to be me or them. No chance I wave around a gun with no intention of using after you've broken into my home...none.

That's the way i feel it should be.
If someone is dumb enough to try to break in to your home, they are taking a huge chance with their life. I'll shoot first and ask questions later.

A few years back, my wife and I heard some rustling in the back yard, we peeked out the blinds and saw a man back there. I grabbed the gun and went to the back door and hid behind the wall. My wife called the cops. He was messing with the nob and trying to jimmy it. He must have heard the sirens (and the cops were VERY fast), and he ran off...he likely has no idea how close he came to death.
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What your are failing to realize is that when you regulate guns you are only regulating the Law obiding citizens. If I guy wants to use a gun against the law, then a Reulation or a Law is certainly not going to stop him. All your gun laws do is hinder me "the honest law obiding buyer" from attaining one.

Bye the way you are not the only one with children. I would never be packing anywhere near where children are playing. Will I cary one with me in downtown D.C. You are dog on right I will.
I don't think that those that are againts guns care angry. While the regular, law abiding, gun carrying citizens understand this, they don't cause they are just against guns. They feel that the fewer guns the better.
I know and you know that's not how it will work, but they don't. We've made similar comments a ton of times, yet they are still not listening.
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What your are failing to realize is that when you regulate guns you are only regulating the Law obiding citizens. If I guy wants to use a gun against the law, then a Reulation or a Law is certainly not going to stop him. All your gun laws do is hinder me "the honest law obiding buyer" from attaining one.

Bye the way you are not the only one with children. I would never be packing anywhere near where children are playing. Will I cary one with me in downtown D.C. You are dog on right I will.
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I don't think that those that are againts guns care angry. While the regular, law abiding, gun carrying citizens understand this, they don't cause they are just against guns. They feel that the fewer guns the better.
I know and you know that's not how it will work, but they don't. We've made similar comments a ton of times, yet they are still not listening.
Preliminarily, this is mostly just a restatement of the 1000 posts that gone on before and so I am just summarizing previously made arguments.

FIRST: I believe it is unconstitutional to completely ban the personal ownership of guns and, quite frankly, I do not advocate that position. There is an important public interest in preventing a government from having an absolute monopoly on the use of force. Preventing such a monopoly was the crux of and the intent behind the Second Amendment's guarrantee of the individual right to own guns.

SECOND: I don't "fail" to realize anything about your assertion AngrySS. In fact, I agree that regulating guns only affects those who follow regulations. I am okay with this BECAUSE:
- As I argued earlier, those who will illegally own a gun are not necessarily going to be deterred by the possibility of you carrying a concealed weapon; and, thus,
- Carrying a concealed weapon in public does not necessarily increase ur personal safety; but
- A proliferation of concealed weapons in public places, IMO, does create a greater risk to the public.
- Balancing the public's right to safety against your personal right to own a gun requires a balancing process and the regulation of who can own guns, how many they can own, and where they can carry them is both appropriate and well within the the constitutional guidelines set up bythe second amendment.

I and others have said all this before and, at this point, if you can't agree that the public at large has a right to reasonably regulate the availability and ownership of guns and to place restrictions on where they may carried, then we are simply going to have to agree to disagree.
- The 2A DOES NOT guarrantee you the unfettered right to own an arsenal and to go armed anywhere you want.
- As to gun ownership, there is a public interest which must be balanced against any private right you have.
- And, (this one is my personal opinion) while fewer guns may not necessarily make us individually safer, a proliferation of weaponry is not guarantee to greater public safety. Again, IMO - a proliferation of weaponry is more likely to decrease public safety than to increase it.

And with that - I will refer you back to my previous posts 'cause I think I am now just pretty much rehashing what has already been said about dozen times and about a dozen different ways.
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