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Old 11-05-2008, 08:10 PM   #16
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I cannot believe this. California is now officially the most useless state in the union. Or at least the most underperforming state. I mean I definately disagreed with their financial policies and desire to give people handouts but California always came through when it came to civil rights. Plus if it wasn't for the ridiculous price of living I would really want to go there, but in the meantime I'll probably settle for Vegas or North Carolina. No state income tax in Nevada

Now all it is is a big chunk of land with overpriced property values and shitty movies.

What a sad day...people exercising their rights to deny others rights afforded to them. Financial, California will suck the life out of you...Washington state doesn't have a state income tax either
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Old 11-05-2008, 09:20 PM   #17
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I know prop 8 passed. Bunch of B.S. What sucks even more is that it just barely passed. California still has a long way to go.

But does anyone know if Prop 4 passed? Prop 4 would've required teenage girls to tell their parents prior to having an abortion...
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If you like irony you like this:

Barack Obama may have helped California Proposition 8 gay marriage ban pass - Telegraph

"Around 70 per cent of the African-American voters who overwhelmingly backed Mr Obama also approved Proposition 8, helping pass the controversial ballot measure despite a small majority of whites voting against the ban on same-sex unions. Hispanic and Asian voters were split on the issue.
The state's black turnout jumped to 10 per cent of the electorate, up from 6 per cent in 2004, as voters inspired by Mr Obama flocked to the polls for the first time. The Democratic candidate took the state with 61 per cent of the popular vote.
Although the president-elect opposed the gay marriage ban, it appears his supporters may have helped pass the measure that was vociferously opposed by many white Democrats."
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African-American are as anti-gay as you can get. If it's gay, they hate it. Ignorance + Bible = a dangerous combination.
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African-American are as anti-gay as you can get. If it's gay, they hate it. Ignorance + Bible = a dangerous combination.

What about him:

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What about him:

He's in a different universe, probably all by himself.
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Well it also passed in two other states.
But what 2 other states? And if you say any that falls in the Bible belt it's automatically disqualified.
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Florida and Arizona.
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Old 11-06-2008, 04:14 PM   #24
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Link. I know it's not popular, but I for one am very happy to see this measure pass. No one is saying that these individuals shouldn't have the right to live as they choose, but it supports the traditional definition of marriage being between a man and a woman. I'd also like to see more legislation to prevent anyone choosing to live an "alternative lifestyle" from adopting. Again, I don't hate gays, but I don't think children should have that particular viewpoint forced on/presented to them as a valid option.
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Old 11-06-2008, 04:43 PM   #25
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Link. I know it's not popular, but I for one am very happy to see this measure pass. No one is saying that these individuals shouldn't have the right to live as they choose, but it supports the traditional definition of marriage being between a man and a woman. I'd also like to see more legislation to prevent anyone choosing to live an "alternative lifestyle" from adopting. Again, I don't hate gays, but I don't think children should have that particular viewpoint forced on/presented to them as a valid option.
WTF do you think a ban on gay marriage does? Isn't the view point being pushed by proponents of the ban "gay marrige is not OK?"

Don't get it twisted homie this ban is a variation of Loving v. Virginia which is to say it a clear violation of the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment:

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What I find so ironic is that so many members of the "small government" crowd think the government should decide whether people are afforded fundamental rights on the basis of their sexual preferences.

Also, big ups to Saden for citing Loving v. Virginia. Dude knows his history. I don't necessarily think it violates the Equal Protection clause, but it's plain wrong to deny homosexuals the right to marry.
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Again, I don't hate gays, but I don't think children should have that particular viewpoint forced on/presented to them as a valid option.
But children, including homosexual children, should have the opposite viewpoint forced on them?

Also, there are millions of kids in this country who will NEVER get adopted. There are thousands of gay couples who try to adopt children. But you would rather see those kids NEVER get get adopted than to see them adopted by gay couples who are willing to spend thousands of dollars to raise a young child?
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What I find so ironic is that so many members of the "small government" crowd think the government should decide whether people are afforded fundamental rights on the basis of their sexual preferences.

Also, big ups to Saden for citing Loving v. Virginia. Dude knows his history. I don't necessarily think it violates the Equal Protection clause, but it's plain wrong to deny homosexuals the right to marry.
I don't think they realize their argument goes something like this:

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I don't necessarily think it violates the Equal Protection clause, but it's plain wrong to deny homosexuals the right to marry.
Why not?
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Link. I know it's not popular, but I for one am very happy to see this measure pass. No one is saying that these individuals shouldn't have the right to live as they choose, but it supports the traditional definition of marriage being between a man and a woman. I'd also like to see more legislation to prevent anyone choosing to live an "alternative lifestyle" from adopting. Again, I don't hate gays, but I don't think children should have that particular viewpoint forced on/presented to them as a valid option.

Couldn't you say the same thing about heterosexuality? And nobody is forcing views on anyone. Plenty of research has been done to show no correlation between being raised by gay parents and the child growing up to be gay.

In fact a girl I was friends with in high school, grew up with two mothers. Came out a 3.5 gpa student, heterosexual, went on to do good things with her life.

If you disagree with it from a religious standpoint, I can understand that. But just saying that being gay is an option isn't really how it works. It's not like by being around gay people you're "going to catch the gay"

That's almost like saying you don't want kids exposed to interracial couples because you don't want them to think that racially mixing is okay.

99% of the time, being gay isn't a choice. Ask anyone who's gay. Sure there are some with bad experiences that turn for solace in the same sex. But everyone that I know, and knowing myself (since I've dabbled in a few things before), I didn't ask for this. It's just the hand that gay people were dealt. I find it a bit troubling that people like to think that people consciously make a decision whether or not to love someone of the same sex or of the different sex.
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