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Old 08-06-2010, 06:33 PM   #286
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure heterosexuals are also at risk to communicable diseases and STDs.
Nope heterosexuals are doing things the way nature intended. Therefore they never get exposed to STD's.

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It's funny that with issues like homosexuality and drugs, social conservatives lose their capacity for logic and rational thought.
But they certainly love sex, lol.


Again for the record since, we have new people here, I'm a moderate. Ironically though I probably make fun of conservatives more often as neocon's are typically more likely to lean towards the Mel Gibson side of absurdity.
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Old 08-06-2010, 08:17 PM   #287
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It's not about sheltering kids from "ever" receiving the education or actually being delusional enough to think they're not going to find out about it. It IS about believing that individual families have the right to decide how/when the child is introduced to such realities. I don't personally believe that a kid learns about homosexuality = a kid decides to be gay. So, Matty's comment in response to your post is a typical misread of the situation and pretty common overreaction. I do find it entertaining (and disappointing) that those most up in arms about the rights of those they agree with are the first to resort to name calling and sarcasm instead of rational discussion, on both sides. I support everyone else's right to freedom up until the second that it infringes upon my own. I don't believe that to be unreasonable, it's just the truth.
You don't think that fear and ignorance is part of the equation here when talking about those on the extreme side against gay marriage?
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As far as what channels, my wife is a Bravo and HGTV addict. So maybe my opinion is a little skewed. ;-)

As far as having a gay child, personally I have never met a "gay child" so much like leprechauns and jesus, I'm not sure they exist. (that comment should end any reasonable discussion :FIREdevil) That said, I don't know how I would handle it, nor does anyone else who's not been in that situation. I would work through it to the best of my abilities, like any other challenge in life. Regarding close friends or relatives coming out of the closet, it would depend entirely upon them. If they're acting like any other normal human being and just happen to be gay, then no big deal. Conversely, if they insisted on gettin' fabulous out in the open I would be annoyed and stop hanging around them. The same is true if a straight friend/relative started exhibiting any other behavior that I can't stand. If they're entitled to their personal preference, then so am I.
HGTV and Bravo, yep that would explain that
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I didn't make them. It's not my part to figure out why they're effed up. I am of the opinion that many of them were sexually abused as children, some of it's a choice, and some were born sexually retarded. I don't know? You'll have to ask God.

No, you have reached the point to where you think two perverts sodomozing each other is normal. They don't call themselves queer (AKA strange) because they think they're normal. Why should I? If you can look at Dennis Rodman and think he's normal then well, I guess we've crossed over into the Twilight Zone.

We in Virginia have made it law that we will not recognize another state's marriage licenses for two perverts. If you don't like it, don't move here.
gay people are perverts the same as blacks are the n-word and so on... your stone age beliefs may actually agree with that though.. the unjustified hate of a group is pretty disgusting, still afraid you might catch the gay or something?
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Here Here. This whole PC wave sweeping the nation is getting out of control. So, because two gay guys want cheaper auto insurance and tax breaks, we should legally recognize them as a married couple? Sorry, No way. Marriage is and should be between a man and a woman. Nature says it works that way, and almost every religion says it is blasphemy. So we should cater to them because they are different? Sorry, No way. Lead your life the way you want, but when it comes to the general public recognizing your homo love and okaying it essencially, that is where the buck should stop. Its almost as sick as letting gays in the military............
wow.. leave the farm much? marriage has been around a lot longer than insurance (and its breaks).. so do believe that two gay people who think that they're in love are just fooling themselves? if being gay is a choice so is being straight.. meaning you could be gay too, you just choose to like women, better go wash it off real quick..

homosexuality has been around longer than the new testament and what does religion really have to do with it? religion is personal and so is marriage.. lets impose religion on people too.. or is THAT too commie?

do you feel that every couple MUST procreate? do you mind if a heterosexual couple doesn't bear children?
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Teaching kids acceptance is so overrated anyway
agreed.. overstated as well.. that is part of the PC horseshit.. that and "criss-cross applesauce" .. choosing to accept or support (as I do being a contributing member of HRC, though not gay myself) isn't part of that, it's part of realizing that the world is bigger than yourself and recognizing the diversity of the people around you.. a lot of people aren't used to imagining that there are those not like them and that it doesn't make those people evil or less deserving of something that many others get to practice
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Question...would any of you who don't like the idea of gay marriage vote against a proposition similar to prop 8 if it were on your state ballet?
it was ridiculous how many in VA thought that it was a ban it vs make it legal vote
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I think the problem most parents have is that they don't want their children taught about controversial subjects by someone other than them, especially for the introduction to the topic (sex ed. and things that may counter a family's religous teaching). The other issue is when subjects are taught in public school, obviously the sex ed for 5 yr. olds is ridiculous, same as HS juniors/seniors not being made aware of contraception.

Having a 17 yr. old and being involved in coaching from 6yrs old. into HS, I can tell you one thing is for sure. Normal, rational folks from all walks of life can quickly go completely bat-shit crazy over something to do with their kids.
a lot of parents don't talk about nearly ANYTHING societal or cultural with their kids
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Let me ask a question. Are there homosexuals in the Omish community? I don't see the Omish men wearing dresses and holding hands with each other. I don't see the Omish starting any wars either. I think we could learn a lot from their example.
omish? lol..

the gay and wars.. everyone turn off your electricity!
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That sounds good to me. I agree with them then. People and their communities should have the right to decide what is right and wrong within their own community.
America isn't a community though.. neither is VA
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You don't think that fear and ignorance is part of the equation here when talking about those on the extreme side against gay marriage?
Oh, I misunderstood you, thought you were referring to me for some reason... no doubt ignorance and fear play a big role for extremists of any type, not just pertaining to this issue.
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it was ridiculous how many in VA thought that it was a ban it vs make it legal vote
What is even more ridiculous is the cowardis displayed in answering this question.
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Good for Steve Young for doing the right thing. I heard David Frum (the axis of evil guy, who is actually really impressive) talking about this issue recently; he said that all you have to do is look at polling data for people under 40 to see where we are headed in this country with respect to this issue.

I think with an economy in crisis people are really tuning into the inanity of these divisive social issues, which have been at the center of our presidential elections for the past 40 years. They aren't working this time and that's a very very good thing.
I agree to some extent, but social issues matter. Why do I say that? Simple, because the breakdown of social mores, etc has helped contribute to the economic crisis that we are facing. What is the major factor in our impending economic collapse? Greed and the lust for power. On top of that, folks want something for nothing. There is nothing outside of chasing the almighty buck anymore. Outside of this people don't really believe in anything. Nihlism is the order of the day, absolutely no morality at all. Gambling, drug and alcohol abuse, etc all have negative consequences on society as a whole.
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America isn't a community though.. neither is VA

America is a conglomerate of communities though, same with VA.
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