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Old 01-08-2009, 10:04 AM   #31
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Emotions Erupt; Dozens Arrested In Violent BART Protest - News Story - KTVU San Francisco

I guess this was to be expected.
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:52 AM   #32
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It was an anecdotal claim, one that can't be verified with statistics since those types of statistics aren't kept by the DOJ. Even if they were, you can't qualify "a lot" as "factual" since it's a relative term.

Anyway, the issue is not the incidence of police violence in this country (which I'm guessing falls somewhere between Denmark and Zaire, although I don't know and neither do you) but rather the acquittal rate of police officers accused of excessive violence, often in spite of inculpating evidence. Again, speaking anecdotally, the police have walked with little to no punishment in almost every case I can remember. I found it particularly illustrative that, in this case, in which a video and witness testimony appear to be pretty damning for the officer, you have taken it upon yourself to be this copís Jonny Cochran - questioning the credibility of the video and witness and everything but the officer himself. I think in such a case as this it is important that we hold the officer to the same standards we hold other citizens. While we all accept the officerís right to use lethal force when necessary, this comes with limits, and in this case they appear to have been breached.
"Appear" is the key word here. I agree it appears pretty damning. Does that mean the guy should be denied his day in court? Are we now going to put every crime up to a vote based on appearances? Because we are a nation supposedly subject to the Rule of Law, the cop is entitled to "the same standards we hold other cititzens". If it's a slam dunk case (as it appears), fine. Let him present evidence in his defense and then he can be judged. Right now, any assertion as to the reasons for his actions are highly speculative.
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Old 01-08-2009, 01:41 PM   #33
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IF he freaked out and meant to grab the taser but grabbed his gun and still followed through with his intent to fire at the victim then he needs to find a different, less stressful job.
Hopefully his new job is banging out license plates in a state prison. After a long day of that, his roommate, bubba, has a long day stamping his license plate.
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While I don't agree with what seemed to have transpired in this incident, nobody is talking about what got the police all fired up and called out there in the first place. If these people were not causing trouble of some sort, why were the cops called? 2am on New Years...get your ass home and stay out of trouble, its really not that difficult if you ask me.

It's like the professional athletes that we see get in trouble for DUI, drugs, etc. Keep yourself isolated from potential trouble and the chances of you being arrested, harrassed, or even shot by the police are very minimal.
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It's New Years!!!! If there's one day of the year where people have a legit reason to be out at 2 am it's f'ing New Years!!! Especially if they're riding the train rather than getting hammered and driving!
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At least 105 people arrested and probably going to get worse. I think a little common sense does wonders here as to what really happened. Obviously the police chief, DA and mayor would want to do everything possible to justify what happened and calm people down. The most cogent statement they could make is something to the effect of "the kid had a gun on his person" or "officers saw what they thought was a gun" or something to that effect. All we have is silence, and remember there are at least 3 videos of the incident they have reviewed - two station cameras and the phone video - which tells a reasonable person there is nothing that shows a weapon of any kind. Add the simple fact nobody at the scene, including the cops, have mentioned anything about a weapon.

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Seems to me like no on is trying to make any excuses for the officer. I believe in innocent until proven guilty, I champion it, but that's a seriously damning video. Even if the kid verbally assaulted the officer, or had a knife on his person, hell, even if he had a gun on him there's no excuse for the sequence of action that took place as seen in the video. Clearly if he had a gun he could have used the gun on the officers, you know, before they had him on the ground, facing down and with two of them on top of him.
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It's New Years!!!! If there's one day of the year where people have a legit reason to be out at 2 am it's f'ing New Years!!! Especially if they're riding the train rather than getting hammered and driving!
Very true...but I just don't understand the circumstances of those people being yanked off the train in the first place. Was it a random? Was it a hit? Were they causing trouble? Even if they were causing trouble I am sure it was nothing to get shot over, but my point is if you weren't causing trouble your ass wouldn't be sitting against a wall being detained by the police in the first place.
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what i dont understand is all the vilolence thats happening because of this. the cop will get his. what does burning shit, and stealing stuff have to do with it?
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...what does burning shit, and stealing stuff have to do with it?
It's a TRADITION, FFS!
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What about the Brazilian Police video?
No excuse for that.

However, playing Devils' advocate, what transpired before?

I know in Northern Ireland our boys took shit from the P-IRA all day and when we caught one of the ****ers we handled it 'pragmatically'.

Things have changed, for the better one would hope, but there is a lawlessness to Central and South America that I wouldn't be part of for anything.
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Old 01-14-2009, 07:49 AM   #42
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Here is an update on this. Apparently he was out of state and turned himself in once his lawyer was notified.


Officer Arrested In Connection With BART Shooting - News Story - KTVU San Francisco
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He was booked into the Douglas County Sheriff's Office main jail in Minden on a fugitive warrant for homicide from Alameda County Superior Court, according to the sheriff's office.
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Here is what stood out to me in this article.

Voluntary Manslaughter only up to 9 years in jail.
Involuntary Manslaughter he could only get probation.

If he is found guilty and gets just a few years in jail they better call out the national guard. I just don't understand how you can kill someone ending their life and if its not 1st degree murder its just a slap on the hand.
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the laws are tricky things. a friend of mine got into an accident( while intoxicated), killing another man. he did only 6 years. how is that fair?
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Very true...but I just don't understand the circumstances of those people being yanked off the train in the first place. Was it a random? Was it a hit? Were they causing trouble? Even if they were causing trouble I am sure it was nothing to get shot over, but my point is if you weren't causing trouble your ass wouldn't be sitting against a wall being detained by the police in the first place.
Considering how the Metro is here and taking into consideration it was new years day, I would think they were probably be loud and rowdy. Which if it disturbs other passengers enough, is enough to warrant the train being stopped and police escorting the rowdy people off.

As for the shooting, that cop needs to be brought up on some sort of homicide charges. I highly doubt that kid was a threat to anyone. Even if he had a gun on him, how is he going to point it and discharge it at someone while he's on his stomach? If he did have a gun, I'd rather go and break the kid's arm first before I shoot him. At least you know he can recover from that. Unless the cop truly felt his life, or the life of others around him were threatened, I wouldn't let him off the hook for this.

I don't know if cops have to take an IQ test before getting a badge but they should really start enforcing that, because I swear, some cops should never even be able to handle a gun. Because some cops like to use it as an equalizer (in circumstances that don't even warrant pulling a gun) instead of a last resort/protective measure.
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