Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

firstdown · 11-18-2009, 12:19 PM

So I read that the pirates attacked the Maersk Alabama again and I wonder if it was targeted or just luck they hit this ship again. This time it seems they where armed and faught them off.

The Associated Press: Pirates again attack US-flagged Maersk Alabama

JoeRedskin · 11-18-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

So I read that the pirates attacked the Maersk Alabama again and I wonder if it was targeted or just luck they hit this ship again. This time it seems they where armed and faught them off.

My question is - Which is more cost effective and ultimately safer: Hiring a highly qualified, well armed detachment for each of your ships sailing in the troubled area or paying ransom, paying for lost time, exposing the company to the loss of valuable personnel & property and putting lives at risk.

It would seem to me the former is ultimately cheaper even just as a deterrence force - I'd rather pay my mercenaries than pirates even if the risk of attack is slim. It always seemed pretty straightforward to me, maybe I am missing something.

Trample the Elderly · 11-18-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

My question is - Which is more cost effective and ultimately safer: Hiring a highly qualified, well armed detachment for each of your ships sailing in the troubled area or paying ransom, paying for lost time, exposing the company to the loss of valuable personnel & property and putting lives at risk.

It would seem to me the former is ultimately cheaper even just as a deterrence force - I'd rather pay my mercenaries than pirates even if the risk of attack is slim. It always seemed pretty straightforward to me, maybe I am missing something.

Perhaps, but I am the best protector of my own life.

over the mountain · 11-18-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

My question is - Which is more cost effective and ultimately safer: Hiring a highly qualified, well armed detachment for each of your ships sailing in the troubled area or paying ransom, paying for lost time, exposing the company to the loss of valuable personnel & property and putting lives at risk.

It would seem to me the former is ultimately cheaper even just as a deterrence force - I'd rather pay my mercenaries than pirates even if the risk of attack is slim. It always seemed pretty straightforward to me, maybe I am missing something.

i think and heard the decision of whether to arm the crew, hire your own security detail or just pay the ransom is the decision of the insurance companies of the shipping companies. the shipping co saves money on insurance by not arming their own crew b/c, i imagine, a forseeable gunfight between trained militia pirates vs. a non-trained shipping crew could end up with alot of wrongful death suits.

looks like shipping co and their insurance carriers might be deciding that hired security detail is the way to go compared to their thought process a few years ago.

saden1 · 11-18-2009, 02:47 PM

If you're a oil/cargo tanker you absolutely need to hire security if you're traveling in pirate seas. If you're a small fishing ship stay the hell out of those waters...either that or get military support from your government. To be honest though you can't defend against an RPG heading your way from 300 feet.

firstdown · 11-18-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

If you're a oil/cargo tanker you absolutely need to hire security if you're traveling in pirate seas. If you're a small fishing ship stay the hell out of those waters...either that or get military support from your government. To be honest though you can't defend against an RPG heading your way from 300 feet.

They know well in advance when another boat is approaching their ship. I have just a basic Radar on my boat and I can reach 15 miles out. I can also program it to sound an alarm when anything is within so many feet or miles. Its easy to track a vessel heading toward you from any direction. The problem has been there is nothing they can do about it if they are not armed.

Hog1 · 11-18-2009, 05:10 PM

The day the it becomes a US Federal priority is the day this nonsense stops.

budw38 · 11-19-2009, 08:39 AM

A few 50 caliber machine guns should do the trick http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/systems/dvic552.jpg ... YouTube - .50 Cal Machine Gun Waterfun

firstdown · 04-02-2010, 03:12 PM

I'm guessing it was dark and they attacked a US Navy ship in error or they are really, really, dumb. It was great target practice and we wiped a few of them off the earth.
Navy: Photo shows warship destroying pirate mother skiff – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

Trample the Elderly · 04-02-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I'm guessing it was dark and they attacked a US Navy ship in error or they are really, really, dumb. It was great target practice and we wiped a few of them off the earth.
Navy: Photo shows warship destroying pirate mother skiff – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

What do you think the squids were saying? I'll bet, "here's your sign".

firstdown · 04-02-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

What do you think the squids were saying? I'll bet, "here's your sign".

I'm guessing that after all these pirates have done our guys probably enjoyed taking a few shots at them. Now we need to take their bodies back to their village and drag them around.

Dirtbag59 · 04-02-2010, 03:56 PM

I could have sworn Time Magazine named Somalia the worst country in the world not to long ago.

Well at least this website says it's one of the worst:
World’s Top 10 Worst Countries to Visit | Trifter

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Remember the movie by Ridley Scott, Black Hawk Down? It is a movie that bought the ugly conflict in Somalia for mainstream viewing. It is also good to mention that they have no central government and that has been happening since 1991. Somalia is a nice country but if you are planning to travel there, I suggest that you hire your own heavily armed guards. Daily rates for the guards vary from a couple of hundred bucks or several hundred bucks, depending on whom you hire. Failure to do so, may result in death.

This is horrible:

firstdown · 04-02-2010, 04:04 PM

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Remember the movie by Ridley Scott, Black Hawk Down? It is a movie that bought the ugly conflict in Somalia for mainstream viewing. It is also good to mention that they have no central government and that has been happening since 1991. Somalia is a nice country but if you are planning to travel there, I suggest that you hire your own heavily armed guards. Daily rates for the guards vary from a couple of hundred bucks or several hundred bucks, depending on whom you hire. Failure to do so, may result in death.

Whats the difference between a couple hundred bucks and several hundred bucks?

firstdown · 04-02-2010, 04:07 PM

Maybe its 3 Fiddy!!!!!!!

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tryfuhl · 04-02-2010, 04:43 PM

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11-18-2009, 12:19 PM	#61
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,206	Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia So I read that the pirates attacked the Maersk Alabama again and I wonder if it was targeted or just luck they hit this ship again. This time it seems they where armed and faught them off. The Associated Press: Pirates again attack US-flagged Maersk Alabama

11-18-2009, 02:47 PM	#65
saden1 Eternally Legendary Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 33 Posts: 9,738	Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia If you're a oil/cargo tanker you absolutely need to hire security if you're traveling in pirate seas. If you're a small fishing ship stay the hell out of those waters...either that or get military support from your government. To be honest though you can't defend against an RPG heading your way from 300 feet. __________________ RG3, RGIII, RG三, RG३, RGγʹ, RGג, RG٣, RG๓, RG..., RG셋, RGԳ!

11-18-2009, 05:10 PM	#67
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,378	Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia The day the it becomes a US Federal priority is the day this nonsense stops. __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

11-19-2009, 08:39 AM	#68
budw38 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern,Va. Posts: 2,126	Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia A few 50 caliber machine guns should do the trick http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/systems/dvic552.jpg ... YouTube - .50 Cal Machine Gun Waterfun

04-02-2010, 03:12 PM	#69
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,206	Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia I'm guessing it was dark and they attacked a US Navy ship in error or they are really, really, dumb. It was great target practice and we wiped a few of them off the earth. Navy: Photo shows warship destroying pirate mother skiff – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

04-02-2010, 04:04 PM	#73
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,206	Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia Quote: Remember the movie by Ridley Scott, Black Hawk Down? It is a movie that bought the ugly conflict in Somalia for mainstream viewing. It is also good to mention that they have no central government and that has been happening since 1991. Somalia is a nice country but if you are planning to travel there, I suggest that you hire your own heavily armed guards. Daily rates for the guards vary from a couple of hundred bucks or several hundred bucks, depending on whom you hire. Failure to do so, may result in death. Whats the difference between a couple hundred bucks and several hundred bucks?

04-02-2010, 04:07 PM	#74
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,206	Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia Maybe its 3 Fiddy!!!!!!! YouTube - Tree Fiddy

04-02-2010, 04:43 PM	#75
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 29 Posts: 12,512	Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia I need about tree fiddy!

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