Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Off-Topic Discussion > Debating with the enemy


Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

Debating with the enemy


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-18-2009, 12:19 PM   #61
Registered User
 
firstdown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: chesapeake, va
Age: 49
Posts: 15,818
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

So I read that the pirates attacked the Maersk Alabama again and I wonder if it was targeted or just luck they hit this ship again. This time it seems they where armed and faught them off.

The Associated Press: Pirates again attack US-flagged Maersk Alabama
firstdown is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 11-18-2009, 01:06 PM   #62
Contains football related knowledge
 
JoeRedskin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Second Star On The Right
Age: 51
Posts: 8,397
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

Quote:
Originally Posted by firstdown View Post
So I read that the pirates attacked the Maersk Alabama again and I wonder if it was targeted or just luck they hit this ship again. This time it seems they where armed and faught them off.
My question is - Which is more cost effective and ultimately safer: Hiring a highly qualified, well armed detachment for each of your ships sailing in the troubled area or paying ransom, paying for lost time, exposing the company to the loss of valuable personnel & property and putting lives at risk.

It would seem to me the former is ultimately cheaper even just as a deterrence force - I'd rather pay my mercenaries than pirates even if the risk of attack is slim. It always seemed pretty straightforward to me, maybe I am missing something.
__________________
You aren't worth the water in my spit but, maybe, just maybe, you're worth the lead in my shotgun.
JoeRedskin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2009, 01:08 PM   #63
Playmaker
 
Trample the Elderly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Three Chopt Virginia
Age: 36
Posts: 2,906
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeRedskin View Post
My question is - Which is more cost effective and ultimately safer: Hiring a highly qualified, well armed detachment for each of your ships sailing in the troubled area or paying ransom, paying for lost time, exposing the company to the loss of valuable personnel & property and putting lives at risk.

It would seem to me the former is ultimately cheaper even just as a deterrence force - I'd rather pay my mercenaries than pirates even if the risk of attack is slim. It always seemed pretty straightforward to me, maybe I am missing something.
Perhaps, but I am the best protector of my own life.
__________________
A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.
Trample the Elderly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2009, 01:45 PM   #64
Playmaker
 
over the mountain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: baltimore
Posts: 3,062
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeRedskin View Post
My question is - Which is more cost effective and ultimately safer: Hiring a highly qualified, well armed detachment for each of your ships sailing in the troubled area or paying ransom, paying for lost time, exposing the company to the loss of valuable personnel & property and putting lives at risk.

It would seem to me the former is ultimately cheaper even just as a deterrence force - I'd rather pay my mercenaries than pirates even if the risk of attack is slim. It always seemed pretty straightforward to me, maybe I am missing something.
i think and heard the decision of whether to arm the crew, hire your own security detail or just pay the ransom is the decision of the insurance companies of the shipping companies. the shipping co saves money on insurance by not arming their own crew b/c, i imagine, a forseeable gunfight between trained militia pirates vs. a non-trained shipping crew could end up with alot of wrongful death suits.

looks like shipping co and their insurance carriers might be deciding that hired security detail is the way to go compared to their thought process a few years ago.
__________________
RJJ Apr. 10, 2014 at 4:40pm
BOB, Where have you been hiding? Good to you around again.
BobOathKeeper Apr. 10, 2014 at 4:42pm
I had to take a break and stomp some liberals into mud-holes, just keeping in shape for what’s coming brother, RJJ. :)
over the mountain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2009, 02:47 PM   #65
Eternally Legendary
 
saden1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Seattle
Age: 34
Posts: 9,841
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

If you're a oil/cargo tanker you absolutely need to hire security if you're traveling in pirate seas. If you're a small fishing ship stay the hell out of those waters...either that or get military support from your government. To be honest though you can't defend against an RPG heading your way from 300 feet.
__________________
"The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder."

-Jenkins
saden1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2009, 02:59 PM   #66
Registered User
 
firstdown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: chesapeake, va
Age: 49
Posts: 15,818
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

Quote:
Originally Posted by saden1 View Post
If you're a oil/cargo tanker you absolutely need to hire security if you're traveling in pirate seas. If you're a small fishing ship stay the hell out of those waters...either that or get military support from your government. To be honest though you can't defend against an RPG heading your way from 300 feet.
They know well in advance when another boat is approaching their ship. I have just a basic Radar on my boat and I can reach 15 miles out. I can also program it to sound an alarm when anything is within so many feet or miles. Its easy to track a vessel heading toward you from any direction. The problem has been there is nothing they can do about it if they are not armed.
firstdown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2009, 05:10 PM   #67
Quietly Dominating the East
 
Hog1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Naples, Florida
Posts: 8,919
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

The day the it becomes a US Federal priority is the day this nonsense stops.
__________________
Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios
thankyou Joe.......
Win! Always win!
By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds...
by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice...
but always win--Edward Teach
Hog1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2009, 08:39 AM   #68
The Starter
 
budw38's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Northern,Va.
Posts: 2,362
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

A few 50 caliber machine guns should do the trick http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/systems/dvic552.jpg ... YouTube - .50 Cal Machine Gun Waterfun
budw38 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 03:12 PM   #69
Registered User
 
firstdown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: chesapeake, va
Age: 49
Posts: 15,818
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

I'm guessing it was dark and they attacked a US Navy ship in error or they are really, really, dumb. It was great target practice and we wiped a few of them off the earth.
Navy: Photo shows warship destroying pirate mother skiff – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs
firstdown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 03:15 PM   #70
Playmaker
 
Trample the Elderly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Three Chopt Virginia
Age: 36
Posts: 2,906
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

Quote:
Originally Posted by firstdown View Post
I'm guessing it was dark and they attacked a US Navy ship in error or they are really, really, dumb. It was great target practice and we wiped a few of them off the earth.
Navy: Photo shows warship destroying pirate mother skiff – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs
What do you think the squids were saying? I'll bet, "here's your sign".
__________________
A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.
Trample the Elderly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 03:45 PM   #71
Registered User
 
firstdown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: chesapeake, va
Age: 49
Posts: 15,818
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly View Post
What do you think the squids were saying? I'll bet, "here's your sign".
I'm guessing that after all these pirates have done our guys probably enjoyed taking a few shots at them. Now we need to take their bodies back to their village and drag them around.
firstdown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 03:56 PM   #72
Naega jeil jal naga
 
Dirtbag59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland
Age: 28
Posts: 14,144
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

I could have sworn Time Magazine named Somalia the worst country in the world not to long ago.

Well at least this website says it's one of the worst:
World’s Top 10 Worst Countries to Visit | Trifter
Quote:
Remember the movie by Ridley Scott, Black Hawk Down? It is a movie that bought the ugly conflict in Somalia for mainstream viewing. It is also good to mention that they have no central government and that has been happening since 1991. Somalia is a nice country but if you are planning to travel there, I suggest that you hire your own heavily armed guards. Daily rates for the guards vary from a couple of hundred bucks or several hundred bucks, depending on whom you hire. Failure to do so, may result in death.
This is horrible:
__________________
Charlie: Okay. Take off your seat belt.
Alan: Why?
Charlie: Because when I slam on the brakes I want to watch you go through the windshield.
Dirtbag59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 04:04 PM   #73
Registered User
 
firstdown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: chesapeake, va
Age: 49
Posts: 15,818
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

Quote:
Remember the movie by Ridley Scott, Black Hawk Down? It is a movie that bought the ugly conflict in Somalia for mainstream viewing. It is also good to mention that they have no central government and that has been happening since 1991. Somalia is a nice country but if you are planning to travel there, I suggest that you hire your own heavily armed guards. Daily rates for the guards vary from a couple of hundred bucks or several hundred bucks, depending on whom you hire. Failure to do so, may result in death.


Whats the difference between a couple hundred bucks and several hundred bucks?
firstdown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 04:07 PM   #74
Registered User
 
firstdown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: chesapeake, va
Age: 49
Posts: 15,818
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

Maybe its 3 Fiddy!!!!!!!

YouTube - Tree Fiddy
firstdown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 04:43 PM   #75
Gamebreaker
 
tryfuhl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Waldorf, MD
Age: 30
Posts: 12,514
Re: Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia

I need about tree fiddy!
tryfuhl is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:55 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.28874 seconds with 9 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25