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Old 04-29-2013, 08:48 AM   #211
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Re: North Korea: Threat or Blackmailer?

Why Kaesong closed:

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A spokesman for the General Bureau for Central Guidance to the Development of the Special Zone gave an answer to a question put by KCNA on April 27 as the puppet south Korean regime made public a "decision" of withdrawing all the personnel of the south side remaining in the Kaesong Industrial Zone (KIZ).

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The south Korean conservatives held a meeting of ministers for diplomacy and security in Chongwadae with the presence of the chief executive. After the meeting they let the minister of Unification make public a "government statement".

The statement clarified the "decision" to withdraw all the south side's personnel remaining in the KIZ, citing "difficulty" and "protection of people" while shifting the blame for the KIZ situation on to the DPRK.

This is sheer sophism and hideous provocation of confrontation maniacs.

It is a well known fact that the puppet conservative group has persistently tried to do away with the KIZ, a product of the June 15 joint declaration.

Kim Kwan Jin, "minister of Defense", revealed a dangerous attempt to request the U.S. forces to hurl their commando into the KIZ for a military operation, crying out for "hostages" and "detention". Under such situation the DPRK blocked personnel of the south from entering the KIZ and made sure that those personnel who had already entered there went back according to their will.

After taking issue with this, the puppet group made a mockery of the DPRK, proposing dialogue without any sincere intention. In the long run, it, proposing working-level talks between the authorities, went the lengths of demanding the DPRK respond to the proposal till next morning and threatening to take "a crucial step" in case it refuses to accept the proposal.

There were many proposals for dialogue in the history of inter-Korean relations but there has never been such precedent that the present puppet group arrogantly proposed dialogue with threat of "crucial step" after setting a deadline and this is unprecedented in the history of world diplomacy either.

It is self-evident that such unheard-of strange farce is not to have dialogue with sincerity but to totally derail it.

When the DPRK took a resolute stand on the arrogant proposal for dialogue made by the puppet group, it lost no time to hold an emergency confab, as if it had been waiting for this, and went over to the next phase of bringing the KIZ to a collapse.

All facts go to clearly prove that the group's proposal for dialogue and decision to withdraw personnel are pursuant to the already worked out scenario to lead the KIZ to a collapse.

This is fully evidenced by the confession made by an official concerned of Chongwadae, when explaining the "crucial step," that it has worked out diverse scenarios against the north and is carrying them out after closely examining them.

The puppet group prattled that the step for withdrawing personnel was taken for the lack of food and materials in the KIZ but there is not lack of food and materials there in fact.

Nevertheless, the group perpetrated a provocation painting food and materials as humanitarian issues. This only indicates that it is running the whole gamut of intrigues to bring down the KIZ.

The KIZ at last ceased to operate due to the vicious moves of the group though it has been successful over the last nearly decade thanks to the compatriots' blessing and concern of the whole world. It may be completely closed any time.

The DPRK sets store by the KIZ, a product of the June 15 joint declaration, but it has no idea of continuing to confer a favor on those who abuse it, not feeling grateful to the DPRK.

The closure of the KIZ would only bring enormous losses and damage to the south side, not to the north.

On the contrary, it would create more favorable conditions for the great war for national reunification as it would be possible to reoccupy the vast area of the KIZ as a military theatre, level at Seoul at closer distance and pave a wide road for southward advance.

The DPRK does not care at all about the group's pullback of its personnel and the like.

It has never detained any of them in the KIZ but allowed them to go out of it.

It is ridiculous, indeed, for the group to try to browbeat the DPRK with such "crucial measure." One cannot but express concern over to what catastrophe the stupid and reckless confrontation maniacs will push the inter-Korean relations.

The present chief executive of south Korea, in particular, is now crying out for "the north's dismantlement of its nukes," "right option" and "change," bringing into bolder relief her confrontational intention towards the DPRK.

It is closely following whether or not the chief of Chongwadae intends to make the KIZ, the only undertaking for cooperation common to the nation, fall victim to the policy of confrontation, dancing to the tune of confrontation maniacs.

The responsibility for the total closure of the KIZ will entirely rest with the puppet group.

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Interesting thought that Kaesong would be a very good staging area to launch a move into Seoul, given that it has a very wide paved and heavy load road straight through the DMZ. Earlier, someone had mentioned that the NK's wouldn't be so stupid as to be broadcasting their plans. I just wonder if they really are just that dumb though.
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:24 AM   #212
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Re: North Korea: Threat or Blackmailer?

Love reading the 5:00 Charlie reports. So many puppets. It's like the Onion but for real.

Of course, as you pointed out earlier, the sobering fact is that, for most - if not all - North Koreans, this is the what is fed them as truth and they have no way to check it and probably have been so indoctrinated that they have no desire to do so. It is all truth to them.

I thought when the boy dictator took power that the NK situation could descend into a bad bad deal. Not quite the Balkans of the early 20th century but not all that far off either.
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Not only is it the truth to the NK masses, but it is what the ruling elite want the truth to be. The articles are Onion like on the face, but when an 8 million person army is reading consistently about the US military losing in Afghanistan, their medical personnel making miracle cures, and the invincibility of the NK Army, you see a disturbing message being planted.

I continue to hope this is all about getting the nations of the world to accept them as a nuclear state, and the rest is all just elite bluster, but there is the very real fact that they can't feed their population, and that the South has both more fertile land, and better infrastructure that could be occupied quickly by a blitzkrieg attack. No one believes the north would really do that, but with US troops rotating out after a long deployment and the North ramping up for large scale military maneuvers, it makes me watch curiously.
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coming home from Kaesong, packing for a little more than a day trip

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Serious question. At what point do you just pull an Israeli moment and level their nuclear facilities/launch sites? In this next article, they claim that their rockets are nuclear tipped. We have said we cannot accept a nuclear NK. One of these two things obviously cannot stand with the other as both being true.

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The world first nuclear war may break out in the Korean Peninsula.

Missiles carrying nuke warheads are mounted on the launching pads, ready to fire any moment at the enemy bases. For the first time in human history two opponent parts both owning nukes are ready to go in for a war.

The world attention focuses on Korean Peninsula.

The focal point of argument on the international political arena is: when a nuclear war may break out, today or tomorrow; how to evaluate this critical situation; and who is guilty of this crisis and who is to be held responsible for it.

Now, experts are divided in their opinions on this serious issue.

Some ascribe the motive and the origin to our Republic. This assertion is something that cannot be overlooked.

Their explanation is this: Having gone against international order, we put up a tough resistance to the U.S. pressure, and this led to an extreme aggravation of tension in the Korean Peninsula. This sort of assertion can only be compared to a sophistry that turns black and white.

Geographically, the Korean Peninsula is located at a strategic key point where the interests of some big powers are interwoven complicatedly and many historically impending issues still await solution.

The present nuclear war crisis in this peninsula is a global issue now because it involves very complex problems. Korean issue is neither inter-Korean relations nor a regional dispute within a country. The Korean issue originates in the U.S. occupation of south Korea, an issue that remains unsettled for over 60 years now, an impending international issue still awaiting solution today. The U.S. is the aggressor and south Korea is a colony under U.S. occupation. Therefore, the Korean issue is in essence a face-to-face controversy between our Republic, the non-aggressor, and the U.S., the aggressor.

The strategic design of the U.S. policy-makers is to invade our Republic, push the MDL up to the Rivers of Amnok and Tuman and build a bridgehead there to squeeze China and Russia and finally grab the Eurasian continent. In the eye of the U.S. strategists, our Republic and south Korea are no more than their advance posts for invading the Eurasian continent.

Our nation's enemy is the U.S. and those of the south Korean authorities are but executors of U.S. colonial policy and cheap cannon fodder.

Today in the Korean Peninsula goes on a do-or-die battle of nuclear confrontation between our Republic representing the justice and the U..S representing the injustice.

The criterion for humanity to distinguish justice from injustice is only one, and that will never change.

There has been no change in the revolutionary stand of our Party and the people to remain true to their international obligations as they go along the road of independence, Songun and socialism. And also nothing has ever changed in the U.S. policy for invasion of our Republic to expand the scope of its domination.

In the period of last Korean War the U.S. attempted to drop an A-bomb on the heads of the Korean people, but failed in their attempt. And in the post-war days, the U.S. began shipping in nuclear weapons to south Korea en masse.

To make the Korean Peninsula a nuke-free zone -- this the government of our Republic regarded as an issue vital for the future of the nation and urgent demand for world peace and security, and made all possible efforts to prevent the U.S. shipment of nuclear weapons into south Korea.

But the U.S. did quite the contrary. Soon south Korea turned into a biggest nuclear arsenal in the Far East and a U.S. advance post for aggression on the Asian continent.

If between two hostile countries one is nuclear power and the other not, danger of nuclear war will certainly grow further.

To foil the U.S. nuclear war machinations and defend Korean and Asian peace we had to take our own choice: to possess nuclear weapons.

Recall the 1960s when there was a big howling among the U.S. ruling circles as the news came about the missile deployment in Cuba.

A reasonable man should not forget his own misfortunes and should also not impose misfortunes on others. The final conclusion we have drawn is nuke for nuke.

Since the U.S. tries to deprive us of our nukes and overthrow our system, our Party had to put forward a new line on parallel growth in the economy and nuclear arms build-up and legalized this line by law.

Some say we use nukes for high-handed attitude in negotiation. No, that is not true. Whoever says so is a liar.

Our all-out confrontation with the U.S. is to put an end to half century long U.S. policy of hostility toward our Republic and its nuclear blackmail and achieve Korea’s national reunification.

The conclusion is clear.

The U.S. is to blame for the nuclear war crisis now sweeping the whole of Korean Peninsula.

Nuke for nuke -- this is our stand, and this stand is just.

The U.S. must cool its head and be sober-minded, and make a bold decision to remove the present nuclear crisis in the Korean Peninsula.
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Nothing but fear mongering. NK doesn't have the ability to fire a nuclear weapon at this point. They are still in the testing phases.


Also, the people of NK may be blind and pumped full of indoctrination, but why do you think their leaders are? The leaders of NK know the reality of it. They've seen us slap other people around in the world via our military and KNOW without a doubt that a war is a losing battle. Now, that's not what they are telling their countrymen, but they know the truth. People in power want to stay in power, and they certainly will lose their power (and lives) by invading or attacking. To stay in power, they thump their chests, show their people how mighty they are and invigorate the populace once again. NK history at its finest.
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Remember Saddam's rhetoric before the Allied invasion? Same shit, different dictator.
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Nothing but fear mongering. NK doesn't have the ability to fire a nuclear weapon at this point. They are still in the testing phases.


Also, the people of NK may be blind and pumped full of indoctrination, but why do you think their leaders are? The leaders of NK know the reality of it. They've seen us slap other people around in the world via our military and KNOW without a doubt that a war is a losing battle. Now, that's not what they are telling their countrymen, but they know the truth. People in power want to stay in power, and they certainly will lose their power (and lives) by invading or attacking. To stay in power, they thump their chests, show their people how mighty they are and invigorate the populace once again. NK history at its finest.
1st, we know they can attach a warhead to a missile. We found their last launch vehicle, and the connections were correct for that. I am sure that's in a link somewhere in here, if you need it again, I will try to find it.

2nd, we didn't know the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki would work, but we dropped them anyway. If they want to test it out on Guam, I would rather knock it out on the launchers.

3rd, when a dictator is desparate, they do desparate things. NK is starving it's people beyond the point of the famous "let them eat cake" quote, and at the same time building a false luxury for the elite in Pyongyang. The US hasn't demonstrated great staying power in battles. Look at Iraq/Afghanistan, yeah we stayed a long time, but a little blood, and our population wants out. They may do the calculus (wrong I believe) that a blitz attack, plus a nuke launch successful or not will, will give them enough standing with China that we wouldn't dare do more than get back to the DMZ point, with them recognized as a nuclear power. The elite doesn't care if they sacrifice 2,000,000 NK's or 1,000,000 SK's, they want to maintain their power.

4. it could all be talk, but this is the longest, most sustained talk in decades, and they are giving themselves very little wiggle room to back out.

The question remains, do you accept NK as a nuclear state, and if not, what steps, what price are you willing to pay in order to prevent it?
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Nothing but fear mongering. NK doesn't have the ability to fire a nuclear weapon at this point. They are still in the testing phases.


Also, the people of NK may be blind and pumped full of indoctrination, but why do you think their leaders are? The leaders of NK know the reality of it. They've seen us slap other people around in the world via our military and KNOW without a doubt that a war is a losing battle. Now, that's not what they are telling their countrymen, but they know the truth. People in power want to stay in power, and they certainly will lose their power (and lives) by invading or attacking. To stay in power, they thump their chests, show their people how mighty they are and invigorate the populace once again. NK history at its finest.
One other point, wars mainly come about through miscalculations by people in power. Do you think the British thought they were going to lose a war with rabble rousing colonists? When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, do you think they thought, oh, now we will lose? Even Korea, when Kim Il-sung attacked SKorea do you think he expected that the US and UN would stand up to them?

Wars are not started by people who are making rational decisions, but most often by people who either feel they cannot lose, or have no other choice but to. Sadly, I think the NK elite is composed by mainly those two beliefs.
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The Foal Eagle joint exercises are over. We will see if it was all talk, if so the rhetoric should slow down. A simple question in my mind is did our sheepish exit embolden NK leadership, or did it show appropriate restraint and open the way for discussions. It could play out either way.

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Military Adventure for Nuclear War

A few days ago the United States massed seven nuclear submarines around Guam, strategic point of its forces and hurled Osprey, latest vertical takeoff and landing transporter, into the Foal Eagle joint military rehearsal in south Korea.

Dialogue and negotiation are prerequisite to détente and peaceful environment. But the United States is loudly talking about dialogue and negotiation on the one hand and, on the other hand, is very keen on war exercises and deployment of nuclear striking means.

This clearly shows that it is clinging to a two-faced trick.

In fact, it is not interested in dialogue and negotiation.

The U.S. ruling quarters' noisy advertisement about dialogue and negotiation is aimed at relaxing our confrontation will and guards against the United States and hastening the preparations for provoking a nuclear war.

As the world knows, a danger of nuclear war gravest ever since the Second World War has been created on the Korean peninsula.

It is intensifying nuclear blackmail against us while unprecedentedly opening to the public the drills of strategic nuclear striking means for a real war. It has thus brought the danger of nuclear war to the pitch.

Under this situation, the United States deployed in full earnest the latest vertical takeoff and landing transport planes and nuclear submarines in south Korea and the west Pacific.

Such military movement has nothing to do with dialogue and only leads the situation to the worst crisis.

The United States has never opened its mouth without saying that we perpetrated "provocations". The ballad led by the United States is chorused by all sorts of riffraff. However, the reality goes to prove that the United States is the very "provoker" who is aggravating the situation of the Korean Peninsula to the extreme and trying to unleash a nuclear war there.

It is escalating the nuclear confrontation racket, nuclear blackmail beyond the limit, enraging us.

If the United States starts a nuclear war, it will be crushed by the war. It'd better be mindful that the nukes arsenals in the mainland and the Pacific might be the root-cause of plunging it into the most terrible nuclear holocaust.

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They have been very quiet for a while.
I'm wondering if China told them to stfu.
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An interesting take on how NK did all this as an excuse to shutdown Kaesong:

Daily NK - Kim Issued 'Close Kaesong' Order

The source kind of looks like a national enquirer type publication only about NK, but the concept is interesting.

and Alvin, China pulled some serious military maneuvers on the NK border, that may have been more like STFU!!!
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Kaesong is now void of SK's and how it happened sounds like an appeasement strategy to me:
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The last seven South Koreans remaining in the Gaeseong Industrial Complex returned home Friday evening, bringing the symbol of inter-Korean economic cooperation to a complete close.
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However, Seoul has reportedly decided not to sever electricity and water supplies to the area, according to government sources. They said that it was a decision aimed at preventing the facilities from becoming obsolete and at the same time not to goad the North.
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It was a barter resembling the cold war-era swap of American and Soviet spies. South Korea sent two trucks full of cash to the tune of $13 million, according to the ministry.
Originally the discussion was about 7.2Million, instead the SK's paid 13. They are also going to keep servicing the electric/water. It may be the right strategy as you wait it out till dialogue can restart, but I can't help but think that there is some faction in NK that sees these type of decisions as weakness, and proof that the SK's/US wouldn't stand up to a true provocation.

Finally, anyone who thinks that they have reduced their belligerent tone, is listening to our media/government not their press releases. ie from today's 5 oclock charlie report:

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The National Reunification Institute (NRI) on May 1 made public a white paper accusing the U.S. and south Korean puppet forces of pushing the situation on the Korean Peninsula to the brink of a nuclear war.

The white paper said:

The U.S. and its lackeys, south Korean warmongers have been responsible for all incidents of military confrontation that pushed the situation on the Korean Peninsula to the brink of a war and stunned the world for several decades. To cite a few examples, they provoked the Korean War in the 1950s and there were the incidents of the U.S. spy warship Pueblo and the U.S. spy plane EC-121 in the 1960s, the Panmunjom incident in the 1970s, the armed skirmishes in the West Sea of Korea and the Yonphyong Island shelling incident in the subsequent period.

The U.S.-led hostile forces prodded the UN Security Council into fabricating an unreasonable "resolution on sanctions" against the DPRK over its legitimate satellite launch for peaceful purposes at the end of last year. This was a heinous provocation perpetrated in wanton violation of its dignity and sovereignty.

To cope with this, the DPRK, as it had already warned, decisively countered the provocation of the U.S., the south Korean puppet group and other hostile forces by conducting the third underground nuclear test.

Much upset by it, the U.S. and south Korean puppet group got frantic in their moves to cook up additional UN "resolution on sanctions" against the DPRK.

By putting in motion its hand-raising machine, the U.S. cooked up the UN "resolution on sanctions" 2094 against the DPRK in March, 2013.

This was more provocative than the last UN "resolution" 2087. It was nothing but a vicious document of blackmail and a de facto declaration of war as it calls for isolating and stifling the DPRK by totally blockading its sky, land and seas.

Timed to coincide with the fabrication of the UN "resolution on sanctions", the U.S. and the south Korean warmongers staged the large-scale Key Resolve and Foal Eagle joint military exercises in south Korea since March last.

These drills were staged according to such extremely dangerous war scenarios as OPLAN 5027 and OPLAN 5029 which are aimed to mount a surprise attack upon the DPRK and occupy it.

The U.S. and the south Korean warmongers didn't conceal that the main aim of such saber-rattling was to mount a preemptive nuclear attack upon the DPRK and a precision strike upon its headquarters.

They went the lengths of staging mock drills to destroy the symbols of the dignity of the supreme leadership of the DPRK after working out a vicious plan for the operations.

The spokesman for the U.S. Department of Defense, the commander of the U.S. forces in south Korea and the south Korean military openly blustered that the drills were aimed "to demonstrate the capability for a nuclear attack upon the DPRK", and "to mount a preemptive strike upon the strategic bases of the north and to strike its bases of counteractions, supporting forces and even commanding forces in case it launches counterattacks" and "they were staged under the simulated conditions of not only a local war but a total war".

Meanwhile, the south Korean puppet forces and the U.S. inked "the plan for jointly countering the provocation of a local war," making the U.S. forces' involvement in the inter-Korean military conflicts an established fact. They staged drills for implementing the plan for a local war and an all-out war and various war scenarios for provocation in five islands in the West Sea of Korea, widely opening them to public.

The U.S. military and the brass-hats of the south Korean puppet army let loose a spate of such outbursts that "they are simulating the worst scenarios and getting ready to cope with them", "the drills might go over to the phase of actual punishment" and "there is no limit to the scope of retaliatory punishment". They went the lengths of crying out for "wiping out the north government from the surface of the earth".

All facts go to clearly prove that the U.S. and the south Korean warmongers are the arch criminals who escalated the tension and brought the danger of a nuclear war to the Korean Peninsula.

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brought the danger of a nuclear war to the Korean Peninsula
Thats quite amusing coming from the only guy holding nukes in that area.....
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China will not accept N. Korea as 'nuclear-armed state': official | YONHAP NEWS

China says....."Not going to happen bro."




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The remarks come amid signs that recent tensions might hurt ties between Beijing and Pyongyang, highlighting China's waning tolerance for its neighbor's provocations.

"During the talks, Wu made it clear that China will not accept North Korea as a nuclear-armed state," said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

"With regard to the issue, I think that we, the U.S. and China have shared a united stance," the official said, adding he "sensed" a growing impatience by China with North Korea's increasing saber-rattling, particularly after the North's December rocket launch and its third nuclear test in February.
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