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Old 04-03-2013, 01:24 PM   #76
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North Korea leader Kim Jong-un’s schooldays in Switzerland revealed - Mirror Online

A good read on Kim Jong Uns past in Switzerland.
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Old 04-03-2013, 02:08 PM   #77
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Adding to the good reads, this one is pretty brief but higlights some of the country's ridiculousness.

North Korea is a joke. That’s why it’s so dangerous

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In official accounts, the birth of his successor, Kim Jong-il, was accompanied by the appearance of a double rainbow. This secretive boy with a bouffant was cast as the god of sport, among other things. When he played his first ever round of golf in 1994, he supposedly scored 11 holes-in-one; North Korea's football coach said that Jong-il guided the team during the 2010 World Cup with the help of an invisible phone - technology that the regime claimed the leader himself had invented.
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U.S. sending defensive missiles to Guam - CNN.com

Im sure China is thrilled about this.
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:48 PM   #79
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U.S. sending defensive missiles to Guam - CNN.com

Im sure China is thrilled about this.
China wont mind.
Those are purely a defensive tool.
And if they just deploy just a few batteries its more for show than anything.
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China wont mind.
Those are purely a defensive tool.
And if they just deploy just a few batteries its more for show than anything.
the american military has spoken.

of course China minds more advanced military hardware in its backyard. and as much as they hate the North Koreans they sure don't want a US backed South Korea on its border.

if interested here is a link to the North Korean news outlet. I certainly have not studied the past blusters of North Korea, but some of these news releases sound pretty damn serious to me. You can see how they are portraying everything to their citizens, who can't go to the internet and compare or see opposing views. I would imagine the conservatives of North Korea are saying they need to strike out before the US and SK puppet military try to destroy their society.
www.kcna.kp

edit. I copied the link from the english version, but it goes to the korean language version. there is a link for the english translation though.
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:26 AM   #81
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Guam is a long way from mainland China.
Thats about the same distance from kansas City to Los Angeles so I wouldnt call that Chinas back yard and since Guam is American soverign territory China can kiss my lily white a$$ regarding what we have there.
And I doubt the Patriots bother them much considering our missle subs,
B-52s and aircraft carrier battle groups have been stationed/frequenting there for a long time.
And if this is just a token amount of missle batteries then I suspect its just a show of resolve and not really much of a weapons deployment.
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SKorea: North Korea moved missile to east coast

Every move we make bothers China, They have long considered east Asia and the Pacific their territory, and us interlopers. If the Chinese were to start patrolling in international waters about 1000 miles off the Los Angeles coast with a sea borne missile defense array, you would be ok with that?

Would you be ok with them trying to develop a sea borne missile defense array at all?

Again the hypocrisy and arrogance of the US military is amazing. Any other country tries to do half the things we do, and we would be hearing how aggressive and bellicose they are.
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SKorea: North Korea moved missile to east coast

Every move we make bothers China, They have long considered east Asia and the Pacific their territory, and us interlopers. If the Chinese were to start patrolling in international waters about 1000 miles off the Los Angeles coast with a sea borne missile defense array, you would be ok with that?

Would you be ok with them trying to develop a sea borne missile defense array at all?

Again the hypocrisy and arrogance of the US military is amazing. Any other country tries to do half the things we do, and we would be hearing how aggressive and bellicose they are.
Why would their ability to defend themselves against incoming missles be alarming?
I would believe that most of their ships already have some kind of CWIS capablity anyways.
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Why would their ability to defend themselves against incoming missles be alarming?
I would believe that most of their ships already have some kind of CWIS capablity anyways.
In China's shoes:

Guam is a launching base for US aircraft, and naval vessels. If they felt we were an aggressive opponent, they could see defending those assets as a threat to their ability to defend themselves. Just as in football, a good defense enables an offense to be more aggressive.

My main point is you are looking at it from a skewed view that pre-supposes the US to be a gentle giant, but much of the world looks at us as a heavy handed military power, and any additional military hardware or expertise is going to be considered at some level as a threat.

Outside of the Chinese theater, look at the anti missile batteries we had proposed in eastern europe to protect against iranian threats. The russians didn't accept those, and put a lot of pressure on the us to change their locations. Why? What was their rationale? Because us having that ability to stop incoming threats enabled us to launch a strike in such a way that their first wave defense wouldn't then carry out an effective retaliation.

China clearly has wargame scenarios, as we do, where their first goal would be to reduce our effectiveness in the Pacific theater, which would, I imagine, taking out our Guam base. A missile defense system there forces them to account for that and target it more heavily.
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SKorea: North Korea moved missile to east coast

Every move we make bothers China, They have long considered east Asia and the Pacific their territory, and us interlopers. If the Chinese were to start patrolling in international waters about 1000 miles off the Los Angeles coast with a sea borne missile defense array, you would be ok with that?

Would you be ok with them trying to develop a sea borne missile defense array at all?

Again the hypocrisy and arrogance of the US military is amazing. Any other country tries to do half the things we do, and we would be hearing how aggressive and bellicose they are.
I do agree with your point in some ways. If i were a non-nuclear country, i would probably have the same attitude as North Korea and Iran. "Wait a second. You've got a bazillion nukes you use to defend your country.... but youre going to tell me i cant do the same to defend mine? F*ck you!"
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In China's shoes:

Guam is a launching base for US aircraft, and naval vessels. If they felt we were an aggressive opponent, they could see defending those assets as a threat to their ability to defend themselves. Just as in football, a good defense enables an offense to be more aggressive.

My main point is you are looking at it from a skewed view that pre-supposes the US to be a gentle giant, but much of the world looks at us as a heavy handed military power, and any additional military hardware or expertise is going to be considered at some level as a threat.

Outside of the Chinese theater, look at the anti missile batteries we had proposed in eastern europe to protect against iranian threats. The russians didn't accept those, and put a lot of pressure on the us to change their locations. Why? What was their rationale? Because us having that ability to stop incoming threats enabled us to launch a strike in such a way that their first wave defense wouldn't then carry out an effective retaliation.

China clearly has wargame scenarios, as we do, where their first goal would be to reduce our effectiveness in the Pacific theater, which would, I imagine, taking out our Guam base. A missile defense system there forces them to account for that and target it more heavily.
Whatever...you're kinda all over the place in that repsonse.
Anyways, I wouldnt get too wound up what the Chinese think about Guam considering we can park equipment in Japan, South Korea and Taiwan which are a lot closer to China.
And there will be no conflict between us and China, not in my lifetime anyways. They have no blue water navy and they are not going to attack their cash cow and biggest debt holder.
Guam is only relevant right now because the media keeps mentioning it.
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I do agree with your point in some ways. If i were a non-nuclear country, i would probably have the same attitude as North Korea and Iran. "Wait a second. You've got a bazillion nukes you use to defend your country.... but youre going to tell me i cant do the same to defend mine? F*ck you!"
Last I checked my govt does not publish daily threats of mass destruction and create videos of burning/nuked (insert a capitol of a country here) and a nuclear blasted Israel.
NK and Iran are rogues states in every sense of the word.
These idiots with their nukes are like emo 16 year olds that found their daddys loaded pistol.
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Last I checked my govt does not publish daily threats of mass destruction and create videos of burning/nuked (insert a capitol of a country here) and a nuclear blasted Israel.
NK and Iran are rogues states in every sense of the word.
These idiots with their nukes are like emo 16 year olds that found their daddys loaded pistol.
we don't need to make videos, we've actually attacked another country with them.
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we don't need to make videos, we've actually attacked another country with them.
Gee... I wonder why??
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