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Old 01-20-2011, 01:17 AM   #1276
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Total non-event. This law will not get repealed. Period.

And the Republicans had better get busy with the peoples business instead of spinning their wheeels trying to stick it to Obama. Two thoudsand twelve will be here before we know it.
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Old 01-20-2011, 09:47 AM   #1277
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Total non-event. This law will not get repealed. Period.

And the Republicans had better get busy with the peoples business instead of spinning their wheeels trying to stick it to Obama. Two thoudsand twelve will be here before we know it.
Rs are doing the people's business, most don't want Obamacare.
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Old 01-20-2011, 09:55 AM   #1278
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Rs are doing the people's business, most don't want Obamacare.
Yeah but it's completely retarded and a waste of time for the house republicans to spend time voting on something that has literally zero chance of passing.

Thanks for grandstanding on my dime, assholes.
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Old 01-20-2011, 10:07 AM   #1279
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Most of them are simply keeping a campaign promise that probably helped win them a few votes...
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:02 AM   #1280
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I'm telling you SS33, we're marching towards the Spring and all Republicans will have to show for their first few months in Congress is what they we're against.

This strategy plays right into Obama's hands.
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:36 AM   #1281
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Yeah but it's completely retarded and a waste of time for the house republicans to spend time voting on something that has literally zero chance of passing.

Thanks for grandstanding on my dime, assholes.
It was completely retarded for Obamacare to be jammed through Congress without those voting on it even reading it.

It's even more retarded for elected representatives (the Senate and the President in this case) to ignore a strong majority of the people on this program that will degrade healthcare and bankrupt the country.

This is a lot more than political posturing. Try to force each senator go on record on where they stand on Obamacare, it will be a major point in 2012. Funding for Obamacare still goes through the House. Voting on the repeal was an important first building block to limiting the damage from Obamacare.

12th, unless there is a major decline in the unemployment rate, gas prices stay below $ 3.50 (unlikely), and the out of control gov't spending gets put in check, 2012 will be another bloodbath for the left. Check out the seats up for re-election in the Senate in 2012.
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:54 AM   #1282
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It was completely retarded for Obamacare to be jammed through Congress without those voting on it even reading it.
I don't disagree, but it's been signed into law. Why spend time to repeal something that will just get vetoed? Makes no sense.

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It's even more retarded for elected representatives (the Senate and the President in this case) to ignore a strong majority of the people on this program that will degrade healthcare and bankrupt the country.
No, the retarded thing is spending time on something that CANNOT help the majority of people, rather than spending time on something that CAN. If you can't get a bill past Obama's desk, then why try? Instead focus your energy on other ways to help your constituents. If you take your eye off that all-important ball, you won't be credited with any successes come 2012.

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This is a lot more than political posturing. Try to force each senator go on record on where they stand on Obamacare, it will be a major point in 2012. Funding for Obamacare still goes through the House. Voting on the repeal was an important first building block to limiting the damage from Obamacare.
Democrats have the financials on their side on this issue: repealing Obamacare will raise the deficit. That according to the independent CBO. Republicans should be careful not to compromise their positions as spending hawks; the Republican house just voted to do something to increase the deficit. So not only are they wasting time, they're voting to flush money down the toilet. It's pretty easy for the Dems to poke holes in this position come 2012. Dumb move all around, which disappoints me, because I'm red.
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and the front runner for the GOP is??
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:59 AM   #1284
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It was completely retarded for Obamacare to be jammed through Congress without those voting on it even reading it.

It's even more retarded for elected representatives (the Senate and the President in this case) to ignore a strong majority of the people on this program that will degrade healthcare and bankrupt the country.

This is a lot more than political posturing. Try to force each senator go on record on where they stand on Obamacare, it will be a major point in 2012. Funding for Obamacare still goes through the House. Voting on the repeal was an important first building block to limiting the damage from Obamacare.

12th, unless there is a major decline in the unemployment rate, gas prices stay below $ 3.50 (unlikely), and the out of control gov't spending gets put in check, 2012 will be another bloodbath for the left. Check out the seats up for re-election in the Senate in 2012.
PS, I'm in healthcare finance. The bolded statement is woefully off the mark when compared to the general consensus of the financial professionals within the industry. The model for care delivery will no doubt change, but those ill-prepared to adapt will go extinct, while the providers who remain standing will deliver care in a more cost effective manner with greater efficiency and quality.
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:00 PM   #1285
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and the front runner for the GOP is??
Yeah, if it's Palin, I'll definitely vote for Obama. She has no business coming anywhere near the presidency.
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:08 PM   #1286
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Before the Arizona shooting, Palin was the front runner. Now I think you'll see Mitt Romney start to poll well.
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They kept their promise...what comes next?
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PS, I'm in healthcare finance. The bolded statement is woefully off the mark when compared to the general consensus of the financial professionals within the industry. The model for care delivery will no doubt change, but those ill-prepared to adapt will go extinct, while the providers who remain standing will deliver care in a more cost effective manner with greater efficiency and quality.
How so?
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:44 PM   #1289
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How so?
I'm not quite sure which portion of my comment your question is directed at, but...

The biggest change with healthcare reform is that eventually providers will be reimbursed for episodes of care, rather than for encounters or procedures performed.

Let's say you fall and break your leg. Right now, every time you come to the hospital for an X-Ray we get $90, every time you come for an outpatient surgery we get $1500, every time you come for an inpatient admission we get $7000. I'm making up numbers and oversimplifying, but you get the picture. You can clearly see that the more we see you, the more we get paid. So there's an incentive to see you over and over. Lots of doctors order unnecessary tests because of this.

Under healthcare reform though, if you fall and break your leg we'll get paid a lump sum $8000 to take complete care of you, from the first time you see us to when you're either healed or the year ends. So then it's up to the doctor to decide when ordering a test is really necessary, which he'll be incented to do to watch his bottom line.

Now, before you freak out about a doctor withholding tests in the name of his (or his hospital's) bottom line, malpractice and licensing issues still are strong incentives to keep them from rationing care.

But it's easy to see; why order 4 x-rays on the leg when all you need is 2? It will reduce redundant tests, which reduces costs to the consumer in the long run.

So clearly testing volume will drop at hospitals, so competition will become more fierce. If testing levels drop enough, some hospitals may not be able to support themselves and may have to close. But that just speaks to the excess capacity of healthcare facilities and equipment that we have in SOME parts of the country. Closing those facilities will be a good thing in the long run, it's a market force that will bring capacity more in line with patient demand.
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:58 PM   #1290
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It was completely retarded for Obamacare to be jammed through Congress without those voting on it even reading it.

It's even more retarded for elected representatives (the Senate and the President in this case) to ignore a strong majority of the people on this program that will degrade healthcare and bankrupt the country.

This is a lot more than political posturing. Try to force each senator go on record on where they stand on Obamacare, it will be a major point in 2012. Funding for Obamacare still goes through the House. Voting on the repeal was an important first building block to limiting the damage from Obamacare.

12th, unless there is a major decline in the unemployment rate, gas prices stay below $ 3.50 (unlikely), and the out of control gov't spending gets put in check, 2012 will be another bloodbath for the left. Check out the seats up for re-election in the Senate in 2012.
We have our opposing views on Obamacare, as you call it, so there's no need to beat that dead horse again. It's the law of the land and public sentiment is about evenly divided. My guess is as more of these provisions come online it will gain in popularity. As far as the rhetoric about jamming this bill through congress, well, Barack Obama was elected with a mandate and he and the Democrats delivered on the promise of healthcare for all Americans.

If you're looking for a repeat of the mid-terms you just might be misinterpreting the electorate in 2012; it will be a more moderate, more diverse, and younger voting bloc. Even if unemployment drops modestly, the president will be hard to unseat and we're already starting to see a shift in his favorables.

Sarah Palin has gone into complete meltdown mode. Tim Pawlenty, Mike Huckabee, Haley Barbour and, God forbid, Newt Gingrich will just be warm bodies on the stage with old GOP talking points and no new ideas to make us competitive globally. And that pretty much leaves Mitt Romney explaining to the Tea Party why he likes universal healthcare, his signature piece of legislation as governor of Mass, and why he supported bailing out the auto industry. So much for socialism, I guess.
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