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Old 02-19-2010, 12:34 PM   #31
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The way the goverment budgets money has to be changed first before we can expect them to save any money. They reward spending and punish saving. For example if a goverment department has a budget of 1 milion and at the end of the year they have only spent $800,000 then their next year budget is $800,000 plus a % for inflation. Now if they spent the entire 1 million then their following budget would be 1 million plus a % for inflation. There is no incentive to cut cost. We need some type of incentive or bonus plan for people who can find ways to cut cost. I say just cut every program by a certain % and they will learn to make do on what they have. We have to start somewhere but no one wants there program cut so start by cutting all of them first.
Exactly, which is why finding a better operating budget is important. Making them fit within a guideline would be fine.

I have a friend whose aunt works for a state agency in VA and to keep their budget up they replace their entire office carpet and some furniture every single year. Something tells me that if you need to spend all of your budget just to keep it, you didn't really need it, so I more than agree with you.
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Old 02-19-2010, 12:41 PM   #32
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Bingo. When a REAL Conservative runs on a truly Conservative platform they do not lose elections, period. Sadly, the last one was Reagan. He won 94/100 states in his two elections because the Conservative message resonates with every day Americans, whether they identify themselves as Conservative or not. Also, America wins when a Conservative is running the economy.

We're at a point where conditions are becoming identical in so many ways to the Carter Administration. High unemployment, mega-inflation is beginning to set in, high energy costs, problems with Iran and Islamic terrorists.

For America to survive, history needs to repeat itself as closely as it can. We may never see another Ronald Reagan, but we need someone who can use his proven principles on economics and foreign policy to turn this ship around before it sinks. The similarities between Presidents Carter and Obama are striking. The fixes will need to be similar too: lower taxes to encourage hiring and production, massively cut spending, be tough and decisive on foreign policy, etc.

Many American voters are more educated and sensible than the two political parties give them credit for. The current D.C. mindset WILL be sent packing in the 2010 and 2012 elections. We can't afford (literally and figuratively) to let them remain in power any longer.
A more conservative president would be nice but I don't know when that will happen with the way things have been going. The gov't is huge and there will be a shitstorm if there are layoffs to a significant degree, job security is amazing in the govt sector and frankly a lot of the programs need to be scaled back. It may take a steady stream of conservatism to pull off greatly reducing govt as well as taxes. Informing programs that they're getting a lot less money or getting canned isn't going to be easy, not that it shouldn't be attempted.
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Exactly, which is why finding a better operating budget is important. Making them fit within a guideline would be fine.

I have a friend whose aunt works for a state agency in VA and to keep their budget up they replace their entire office carpet and some furniture every single year. Something tells me that if you need to spend all of your budget just to keep it, you didn't really need it, so I more than agree with you.
That scenario is not only commonplace in any agency that receives Gov't funding, it's the standard.

Infuriating. There are ALWAYS frivilous spending sprees in December so their next year of appropriations won't be reduced.
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Yeah that's just one tiny example of many no doubt, definitely disgusting.
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Bingo. When a REAL Conservative runs on a truly Conservative platform they do not lose elections, period. Sadly, the last one was Reagan. He won 94/100 states in his two elections because the Conservative message resonates with every day Americans, whether they identify themselves as Conservative or not. Also, America wins when a Conservative is running the economy.

We're at a point where conditions are becoming identical in so many ways to the Carter Administration. High unemployment, mega-inflation is beginning to set in, high energy costs, problems with Iran and Islamic terrorists.

For America to survive, history needs to repeat itself as closely as it can. We may never see another Ronald Reagan, but we need someone who can use his proven principles on economics and foreign policy to turn this ship around before it sinks. The similarities between Presidents Carter and Obama are striking. The fixes will need to be similar too: lower taxes to encourage hiring and production, massively cut spending, be tough and decisive on foreign policy, etc.

Many American voters are more educated and sensible than the two political parties give them credit for. The current D.C. mindset WILL be sent packing in the 2010 and 2012 elections. We can't afford (literally and figuratively) to let them remain in power any longer.
Being "tough on decisive on foreign policy" usually means a military presence, which means more troops on the ground, which means spending money we don't have.

That's not exactly fiscal restraint.
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dmek and saden, I wouldn't take the Tea Party movement as something that's solely Republican-driven. Yes, the Democrats are probably going to get it broken off in their ass this November, but that's only because they have complete power. If the Pubbies were in control, the same thing would happen to them. In fact it already did happen to them in '06 and '08. The issue then was outrage over the wars. Now it's health care and fiscal insanity.

I really believe that this is a backlash against both parties, against government in general. The system we have now, which has been in control by only two select groups for over a century, may be starting to crack. I'd like to see a break up of the two-party system into a mish-mash of many different ideaologies, all angling for something different than the same ol' business as usual, corrupt, back-room dealings with cronies who have had the ear -- and the pockets -- of both parties for far too long.

I know you two are democrats, but trust me -- the republicans are going to be a short leash this time around. If we see them going back to the ways of big spending, expanding government, and marching all over the face of the earth with a 'tough foreign policy' stance that they've always been so proud of, but does nothing but get young Americans killed, they'll be thrown right out just as fast as they got back there.

Nobody's going to get a long running free pass anymore, with the voters as apt as they've been for massive upheavals of power shifting in both directions. Only this time, I think there are some new players in the game, and that's a good thing.
While it could be a backlash against both parties, their views, "principles", and rhetoric are mainly aligned with Republican ideology. There's no question about that. I would also ask myself, where was the Tea Party when the previous administration grew the size of government, passed legislation (namely Medicare Part D) without paying for it, and funded the Iraq war almost entirely through debt and budgetary supplements? All of which added significantly to the current deficit. So for them to suddenly come out and rail against big governement, the ballooning deficit, and universal healthcare is curious at best.

On a separate but somewhat related note, it appears as though Sarah Palin is making her bed with the Tea Party, which is just fine by me. The only problem -- a major problem -- with that strategy is that at some point she's going to have to tact to the middle on some issues be considered a serious candidate.
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Being "tough on decisive on foreign policy" usually means a military presence, which means more troops on the ground, which means spending money we don't have.

That's not exactly fiscal restraint.
That's the Reagan way though. Cut education, etc and beef up defense spending. Better to have a country feared for its physical than mental power I suppose.
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While it could be a backlash against both parties, their views, "principles", and rhetoric are mainly aligned with Republican ideology. There's no question about that. I would also ask myself, where was the Tea Party when the previous administration grew the size of government, passed legislation (namely Medicare Part D) without paying for it, and funded the Iraq war almost entirely through debt and budgetary supplements? All of which added significantly to the current deficit. So for them to suddenly come out and rail against big governement, the ballooning deficit, and universal healthcare is curious at best.
That is a good question. You did hear some right wing talk radio hosts offering brief, mild criticism of the Bush administration's spending habits, but they were always quick to follow up that criticism with, "but, but, at least he's kept us safe ... blah, blah, blah."

There were smaller pockets of true paleoconservatives, strict constitutionalists and libertarians who were louder with their opposition to Bush. There have been too many who were fine with a big spending, big government guy as long as there was an "R" after his name.

Rightly or wrongly, Obama's push for health care reform is what sent people over the edge. But I don't think it makes the Tea Party any less legitimate. Talk to any of them, and they aren't happy with GOP either.

Now you're starting to see mainstream republicans, national committee types cozy up to the Tea Partiers, and act like they've been with them all along -- but trust me, they aren't having it. What I don't want to see is the Tea Party infiltrated by the bible thumpers, the neocons, and chickenhawks trying to include their agenda with what one that is only about fiscal restraint, and smaller government. Because those are exactly the people you didn't hear from when Bush was doubling the federal budget, creating massive new government bureacracies like the TSA and Dept. of Homeland Security.

If the thumpers and the neo-clowns are successful then all you're seeing with the Tea Party is a washout of the moderate republicans into a party of extremes wanting to outlaw abortion and put the throttle all the way up with Iran and Russia. If that's the case, they'll be losers again and the Democrats will maintain control.
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FYI, the original Contract with America was conceived by Newt Gingrich, not Nancy Pelosi.
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FYI, the original Contract with America was conceived by Newt Gingrich, not Nancy Pelosi.
He should've written Contract on America.
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FYI, the original Contract with America was conceived by Newt Gingrich, not Nancy Pelosi.
Thanks, not sure where i got the idea Pelosi put it together?
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While it could be a backlash against both parties, their views, "principles", and rhetoric are mainly aligned with Republican ideology. There's no question about that. I would also ask myself, where was the Tea Party when the previous administration grew the size of government, passed legislation (namely Medicare Part D) without paying for it, and funded the Iraq war almost entirely through debt and budgetary supplements? All of which added significantly to the current deficit. So for them to suddenly come out and rail against big governement, the ballooning deficit, and universal healthcare is curious at best.

On a separate but somewhat related note, it appears as though Sarah Palin is making her bed with the Tea Party, which is just fine by me. The only problem -- a major problem -- with that strategy is that at some point she's going to have to tact to the middle on some issues be considered a serious candidate.
Great question. The tax cuts + increased spending definitely didn't do us any favors.
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While it could be a backlash against both parties, their views, "principles", and rhetoric are mainly aligned with Republican ideology. There's no question about that. I would also ask myself, where was the Tea Party when the previous administration grew the size of government, passed legislation (namely Medicare Part D) without paying for it, and funded the Iraq war almost entirely through debt and budgetary supplements? All of which added significantly to the current deficit. So for them to suddenly come out and rail against big governement, the ballooning deficit, and universal healthcare is curious at best.

On a separate but somewhat related note, it appears as though Sarah Palin is making her bed with the Tea Party, which is just fine by me. The only problem -- a major problem -- with that strategy is that at some point she's going to have to tact to the middle on some issues be considered a serious candidate.
I honestly think it is a backlash against both parties. I think while GW was in office during his second term, there was a sense of you cant really do anything right now except wait for him to leave. There was a lot of disgust and outrage by republicans while he was in during his second term because of the over spending, privacy intrusions, and his foreign policy intervention.

I think the start of the Tea Party stuff can be linked to Ron Paul's success during the Republican primary's. Because he was saying so many things that resonated with Goldwater type Republicans. I also think that by some states banning his participation during the primaries (i think S. Caroline), and by conservative media personalities largely dismissing him it helped flame the fire.

So while nowadays the Tea Party movement can be called a backlash against Obama's spending spree and socialist ideology i think it all started as a backlash against the Republicans because they embraced what GW was doing and offered GW Jr. type candidates for the 2008 election, all the while dismissing a fiscally conservative and socially liberal candidate that struck a cord with Goldwater Republicans and young people.
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Every dept of the government should find ways and submit reports on how they can help the overall budget reduce

Everything from less expensive furniture, travel and entertainment expenses, etc

If we expect it from the banks that we bail out, we should expect it from the fed that we're bailing out as well.. states shouldn't be exempt either
Last year the President ordered such a review from Cabinet members and each government agency. It was met with skepticism, but at least he's trying to address the issue.

Analysis: Obama saving money the easy way - White House- msnbc.com
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Old 05-04-2010, 05:31 PM   #45
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I got this email the other day and thought others may be interested:

Have your Representatives Signed the Contract fromAmerica?


Thank you all so much for taking part in our initiative to achieve real economic conservative and good governance reform in D.C. Our launch on April 15th was very successful, and in the last week, a number of candidates and elected officials signed the Contract fromAmerica, including Sen. DeMint (R-SC) and Utah Senate Candidate Mike Lee. However, we need YOUR help to successfully convince elected officials and candidates that they need to listen and follow our mandate.

Below are a series of activities you (and your membership if you are the leader of a grassroots organization) can do to make a real difference in this grassroots effort...

Get Candidates/Elected Officials to Sign the Document

1.) Call the members of Congress in your district and surrounding districts, as well as your Senator and candidates for Congress/Senate of all parties. Ask them to sign the Contract from America (which you can send to them by email, by cutting and pasting the Contract at www.contractfromamerica.orgor faxing/mailing them a pdf version of the contract at www.contractfromamerica.org/documents. Give them 2-3 days to review and then call again, asking if they will sign. If they say yes, have them return a signed copy of the Contract from America to you, which you should email to us. In addition, ask if they will take a photo of the signing or a video statement of support, which we will put on our website. Please let us know if an Elected Official/Candidate signs or says that they will not sign by sending us an email.

2.) If you are a director of a coalition group, and a candidate/elected official chooses to sign, you should request they send out a press release, and you should send a press release as well, with your name as the media contact person. A template for such a press release is available to download at www.contractfromamerica.org/documents. Again, please let us know if a candidate/elected official decides to sign.

3.) You can find the various candidates/elected officials in your district and State on this site: Politics1 - American Politics, Elections, Candidates & Campaigns. Most of the candidates' websites (where you can get contact info, etc.) are linked to that page.

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1.) Write an op-ed/letter to the editor to your local newspaper. We will have a template op-ed which you can use and modify as you wish up soon at www.contractfromamerica.org/documents. You should mention in your letter that Sen. DeMint has signed the Contract, and that your congressman/candidates should follow in his grassroots conservative footsteps.

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