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Old 05-04-2010, 09:12 AM   #166
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umm, why. If you want to emigrate out of the US, no one is stopping you. I doubt anyone would aid you in anything remotely close to that, but I do happen to have for you.
Taking some of the value I have added to this nation with me. It's mine.
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:20 AM   #167
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Taking some of the value I have added to this nation with me. It's mine.
I won't go any further down this line, but that is a ridiculous statement compared against what this country has provided to any one of us.(unless you are Bill Gates, which I highly doubt)
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:51 AM   #168
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first, are you always so bitter?
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:57 AM   #169
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Thank you, and this immirgration bill grows government and gives police more powers. Police/millitary contractors are all big goverment getting bigger. Just called by a different name. In this country we don't single out groups. Trying to criminalize an ethnic group is reprehensible. Everyone wants to avoid liability. We want to hold them accountable for crossing the border. They will be only ones held accountable everyone else will say not my fault.
Again, pesky facts:

- The AZ immigration statute does not "grow government". It provides no funding sources and does not create new agencies.
- It only provides for enforcement of existing state of AZ & Federal law.
- This law does not criminalize an ethnic group, it only provides for enforcement against illegal activity.

Read the actual text of the statute.
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Old 05-04-2010, 10:07 AM   #170
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I'm held accountable each month when I have to send a fat check to the federal goverment and one to the state. You know you can sponsor a family and bring them here anytime you want so go ahead.
Can I do that with Dominicans too?
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Old 05-04-2010, 10:10 AM   #171
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agree, they are all in it together. wallstreet owns the govt., the govt lets wallstreet rob us cuz wallstreet lobbyists give the politicians their cut, then the govt "bails out" wallstreet and they all keep robbing us. pretty sure most/all of us will agree on that.

and hopefully we all recognize that BOTH parties do this, albeit with different spin/packaging. but Bush was BIG GOVT. this didn't just magically start with Obama. the Military/Pentagon and defense contracting is HUGE govt. this stuff dwarfs "social welfare" to the point that it's silly. funny we dont hear as much outrage over "corporate welfare."

of course both sides of our govt certainly prefer that we argue about mexicans, and blacks vs. whites, conservatives vs liberals, gay marriage, flag burning, etc etc....
and all this Red vs. Blue Dems vs Repubs is just coke/pepsi bullshit, the illusion of choice.
Good post, the only issue is that the "social welfare" stuff is what's bankrupting the country. The unfunded liabilities of SS, Medicare, and other social programs is what's pushing us to the brink of insolvency. We're spending more than we're taking in, it's basic math and it's unsustainable. Defense contracts can be terminiated and are only a portion of the defense budget. The biggest expediture is for manpower, and services to support the manpower.

Continuing to allowing millions of illegals into the country who will access, or evenually access, social services and vote for politicians who provide more gov't services and push us further towards European socialism is not what we need. Do you want to pay an additional 18% + tax on everything you buy....on top of your Fed and state taxes.
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Old 05-04-2010, 10:59 AM   #172
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Come on you liberals put your money where your mouth is. None of you will because you won't spend your money you want to spend my fucking money.

first, you dont know me or what i spend my money on. conservatives "spend my fucking money" on wasteful military spending that i dont agree with. they line the pockets of Halliburton....

do you think you are the only one who pays taxes and/or disagrees with how much of it is spent? get the fuck over yourself acting like us "liberals" are somehow "stealing" your money and "giving" it to the poor. funny how you're all pissed off claiming that "we" wont spend our money and that the illegals use services w/o paying taxes and yet you're sitting there saying YOU dont want to pay taxes either. you know, you have the option of leaving as well...
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first, you dont know me or what i spend my money on. conservatives "spend my fucking money" on wasteful military spending that i dont agree with. they line the pockets of Halliburton....

do you think you are the only one who pays taxes and/or disagrees with how much of it is spent? get the fuck over yourself acting like us "liberals" are somehow "stealing" your money and "giving" it to the poor. funny how you're all pissed off claiming that "we" wont spend our money and that the illegals use services w/o paying taxes and yet you're sitting there saying YOU dont want to pay taxes either. you know, you have the option of leaving as well...

Dude, since you are new I will throw you a bone.

Firstdown is here for comic relief at best. Many times over his ideas and view points have been proven wrong on this web site. Take every thing he says with a grain of salt. Others will rush to his side to defend him but they too are just as confused.

It is like pissing into the wind when talking about politics on this site. Basically a waste of time and you go home wet and unhappy.
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Old 05-04-2010, 11:13 AM   #174
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first, you dont know me or what i spend my money on. conservatives "spend my fucking money" on wasteful military spending that i dont agree with. they line the pockets of Halliburton....



There we go...the Halliburton argument.

Do you realize Clinton gave contracts to them also, or that they are one of 2 or 3 companies in the world that do certain types of work that was required in Iraq?

Of course not...the facts will make you regret your t-shirt and bumper sticker purchases.
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Old 05-04-2010, 11:13 AM   #175
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Dude, since you are new I will throw you a bone.

Firstdown is here for comic relief at best. Many times over his ideas and view points have been proven wrong on this web site. Take every thing he says with a grain of salt. Others will rush to his side to defend him but they too are just as confused.

It is like pissing into the wind when talking about politics on this site. Basically a waste of time and you go home wet and unhappy.

ha, yes, i realize that (in general, about political arguments on the internet... this aint my first rodeo).

you're right, i shouldn't waste my time, as none of us are gonna magically change anyone's mind.

wait, but where's the comedy?
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Old 05-04-2010, 11:14 AM   #176
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ha, yes, i realize that (in general, about political arguments on the internet... this aint my first rodeo).

you're right, i shouldn't waste my time, as none of us are gonna magically change anyone's mind.

wait, but where's the comedy?

On any other subject firstdown and crowd are very enjoyable folks, I too sometimes get dragged into these threads out of boredom at work.
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Old 05-04-2010, 11:22 AM   #177
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There we go...the Halliburton argument.

Do you realize Clinton gave contracts to them also, or that they are one of 2 or 3 companies in the world that do certain types of work that was required in Iraq?

Of course not...the facts will make you regret your t-shirt and bumper sticker purchases.

yes, i DO know all of that. as i've said, govt waste and excessive military spending is a problem no matter who is in the whitehouse. but i appreciate your condescending attempt at humor with the t-shirt talk. good effort.
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Old 05-04-2010, 11:25 AM   #178
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Good post, the only issue is that the "social welfare" stuff is what's bankrupting the country. The unfunded liabilities of SS, Medicare, and other social programs is what's pushing us to the brink of insolvency. We're spending more than we're taking in, it's basic math and it's unsustainable. Defense contracts can be terminiated and are only a portion of the defense budget. The biggest expediture is for manpower, and services to support the manpower.

Continuing to allowing millions of illegals into the country who will access, or evenually access, social services and vote for politicians who provide more gov't services and push us further towards European socialism is not what we need. Do you want to pay an additional 18% + tax on everything you buy....on top of your Fed and state taxes.

Once again they try to frame the argument that this is their money. Free handouts. Etc. Etc. Yuo speak as if you are basing your arguments on facts. It's only your opinion and tired philosophy of freee marketism which has become a religion. Free marketism failed miserably. Bush had to ask for 786 billion dollars. Our economy is a system there are no islands of money. I'm pissed 10 generations of free labor and these idiots have squandered it already.
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Old 05-04-2010, 11:30 AM   #179
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Once again they try to frame the argument that this is their money. Free handouts. Etc. Etc. Yuo speak as if you are basing your arguments on facts. It's only your opinion and tired philosophy of freee marketism which has become a religion. Free marketism failed miserably. Bush had to ask for 786 billion dollars. Our economy is a system there are no islands of money. I'm pissed 10 generations of free labor and these idiots have squandered it already.
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Old 05-04-2010, 11:40 AM   #180
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vote for politicians who provide more gov't services and push us further towards European socialism is not what we need.
oooh, the Socialist card!! nice.
yea, i'm not an expert on European socio-political economics, and i didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn last night.... but i'm pretty sure that handing hundreds of billions of dollars to the rich elite on Wall Street is NOT socialism.

but since all the poor bastards sucking up the govt cheese on your dime have it so good, i'm sure you'd love to switch places with them.
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