Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Off-Topic Discussion > Debating with the enemy


Arizona's New Immigration Law

Debating with the enemy


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-06-2010, 09:25 AM   #211
Contains football related knowledge
 
JoeRedskin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Second Star On The Right
Age: 52
Posts: 9,303
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

Quote:
Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan View Post
The pressure came from the punch drunk builders. Building houses creates wealth. They built too many houses and tried to stave off the inevitable housing price decline by trying their best to put warm bodies in those houses. Banks who had invested in the over build mode had to try to get people in those houses. The crisis was caused by over bulding. Banks were throwing out cash to builders left and right. All these 500,000 dollar condos sitting empty. Don't sound like government hand out loans to me, or socialism. See this is the problem with the free marlet religion. They used to have a mantra "housing prices will always increase", and they believed this to be fact. So, if housing prices will always increase, then keep building. All the other mistakes else are just false conslusions derived from this false premise. Like always, the conservative tactic is to blame someone else stick the blame to someone. I made a mistake but it wasn't my mistake you didn't listen to me, totally. Totally submit to my philosophy next time and I won't make those mistakes.
It's been said before and will be said again. Wow. Just wow.

Way to over simplify in order to validate your pre-existing biases. You clearly read just enough to be stupid.
__________________
You aren't worth the water in my spit but, maybe, just maybe, you're worth the lead in my shotgun.
JoeRedskin is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 05-06-2010, 09:34 AM   #212
The Starter
 
joethiesmanfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,163
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeRedskin View Post
It's been said before and will be said again. Wow. Just wow.

Way to over simplify in order to validate your pre-existing biases. You clearly read just enough to be stupid.
Typical know everything conservative. They have all the answers. Talk about opver simplify "cut taxes" is the way to Nirvana.
__________________
BP Bush/Palin 2012
joethiesmanfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 09:47 AM   #213
Special Teams
 
Rainy Parade's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 269
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33 View Post
And I certainly do NOT believe, nor asserted, it was "Tyrone's and Julio's" mortgages that caused the economic meltdown.
my apologies if that quip was in repsonse to your post, i should have clarified.... i have heard (first hand in person as well as from "the media") plenty of people say that the housing crisis and subsequent economic collapse was caused/mostly the fault of "giving mortgages" to "minorities." my bad for implying that YOU said that or believe that. but it's been asserted.
Rainy Parade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 09:48 AM   #214
Contains football related knowledge
 
JoeRedskin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Second Star On The Right
Age: 52
Posts: 9,303
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

Quote:
Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan View Post
Typical know everything conservative. They have all the answers. Talk about opver simplify "cut taxes" is the way to Nirvana.
1. Did I assert that cutting taxes is the way to Nirvana?

2. Did I assert that I know everything?

3. Did I make sweeping general statements about complex financial relationships?

4. Did I make generic assumptions about large groups of people with points of view different then mine?

Did you do any of the above?

I would put you on ignore, but I find your semi-informed, over simplifications morbidly fascinating.
__________________
You aren't worth the water in my spit but, maybe, just maybe, you're worth the lead in my shotgun.
JoeRedskin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 09:54 AM   #215
Contains football related knowledge
 
JoeRedskin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Second Star On The Right
Age: 52
Posts: 9,303
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rainy Parade View Post
my apologies if that quip was in repsonse to your post, i should have clarified.... i have heard (first hand in person as well as from "the media") plenty of people say that the housing crisis and subsequent economic collapse was caused/mostly the fault of "giving mortgages" to "minorities." my bad for implying that YOU said that or believe that. but it's been asserted.
I have seen the same thing said but more from an allegation that predatory lenders/mortgage brokers were taking advantage of "unsophisticated" purchasers. Not sure if that is the same thing you are referring to. Undoubtedly, many of these unscrupulous brokers made promises of easy money to people who wanted to believe in "pie-in-the-sky" investmets and targeted low-income individuals. Plenty of fault to go around on that scenario.
__________________
You aren't worth the water in my spit but, maybe, just maybe, you're worth the lead in my shotgun.
JoeRedskin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 09:59 AM   #216
The Starter
 
joethiesmanfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,163
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeRedskin View Post
1. Did I assert that cutting taxes is the way to Nirvana?

2. Did I assert that I know everything?

3. Did I make sweeping general statements about complex financial relationships?

4. Did I make generic assumptions about large groups of people with points of view different then mine?

Did you do any of the above?

I would put you on ignore, but I find your semi-informed, over simplifications morbidly fascinating.

What came first the chicken or the egg? Did the inventory of (over building) houses exist before the sub-prime loans? Why would banks design such crazy loans? What would be their motivation? Government pressure? When have banks ever operated in this fashion?
__________________
BP Bush/Palin 2012
joethiesmanfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 10:00 AM   #217
Special Teams
 
Rainy Parade's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 269
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeRedskin View Post
I have seen the same thing said but more from an allegation that predatory lenders/mortgage brokers were taking advantage of "unsophisticated" purchasers. Not sure if that is the same thing you are referring to. Undoubtedly, many of these unscrupulous brokers made promises of easy money to people who wanted to believe in "pie-in-the-sky" investmets and targeted low-income individuals. Plenty of fault to go around on that scenario.
agree, predatory lending was a huge part of the problem.

unfortunately i've been around people who claim not to be racist but then always seem to find a way to blame every issue/problem on minorities. in polite language of course.
Rainy Parade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 10:08 AM   #218
The Starter
 
joethiesmanfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,163
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeRedskin View Post
I have seen the same thing said but more from an allegation that predatory lenders/mortgage brokers were taking advantage of "unsophisticated" purchasers. Not sure if that is the same thing you are referring to. Undoubtedly, many of these unscrupulous brokers made promises of easy money to people who wanted to believe in "pie-in-the-sky" investmets and targeted low-income individuals. Plenty of fault to go around on that scenario.
Now comes the same simple question. Why would the banks approve and back thes predatory mortgage brokers. Mortgage brokers can't make the mortgage the bank does. Banks made it clear there was money to make and lot's of it for helping them put warm bodies in these houses. By blaming the mortgage brokers you are blaming the banks. The mortgage brokers got rich from the sub primte loans they are not at fault at all. The bank has to approve the loan. They were paid a hefty fee to reduce that inventory. They were helping the banks try to avoid the inevitable.
__________________
BP Bush/Palin 2012
joethiesmanfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 10:35 AM   #219
Special Teams
 
Rainy Parade's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 269
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

Quote:
Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan View Post
Why would banks design such crazy loans? What would be their motivation?
duh... money.

they didn't care if there were actual bodies in actual houses. they'd package up all these loans and sell them off to someone else. it was like hot potato they were just passing shit around to each other making money.
Rainy Parade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 10:49 AM   #220
Playmaker
 
Slingin Sammy 33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 4,347
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rainy Parade View Post
my apologies if that quip was in repsonse to your post, i should have clarified.... i have heard (first hand in person as well as from "the media") plenty of people say that the housing crisis and subsequent economic collapse was caused/mostly the fault of "giving mortgages" to "minorities." my bad for implying that YOU said that or believe that. but it's been asserted.
Cool, Thx.
__________________
"I would bet.....(if), an angel fairy came down and said, '[You can have anything] in the world you would like to own,' I wouldn't be surprised if you said a football club and particularly the Washington Redskins.'' Jack Kent Cooke, 1996.
Slingin Sammy 33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 10:53 AM   #221
Playmaker
 
Slingin Sammy 33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 4,347
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

Quote:
Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan View Post
We agree to disagree. Now we know where we stand. What do we agree on. It seems like people are agreeing on anything anymore. Which leads me to this question. What are your perceptions of America. Is America an English/European Christian empire or something new created by the founding fathers.
Nothing I say or post will change your views/opinions. So it's best we stay at "agree to disagree".
__________________
"I would bet.....(if), an angel fairy came down and said, '[You can have anything] in the world you would like to own,' I wouldn't be surprised if you said a football club and particularly the Washington Redskins.'' Jack Kent Cooke, 1996.
Slingin Sammy 33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 10:58 AM   #222
Special Teams
 
Rainy Parade's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 269
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

Quote:
Originally Posted by firstdown View Post
The housing issue was caused by just about everyone involved. Banks, goverment, builders, realtors, and the customers buying these homes.
yup.
i'd also like to blame Dan Snyder, Vinny Cerrato, Dick Cheney, Jason Campbell, Ben Roethlisberger, Jim Zorn, Tiger Woods, Greg Blache, Brett Favre, and Albert Haynesworth.

and the media.
Rainy Parade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 11:01 AM   #223
The Starter
 
joethiesmanfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,163
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

Quote:
Originally Posted by firstdown View Post
The housing issue was caused by just about everyone involved. Banks, goverment, builders, realtors, and the customers buying these homes.
Banks are not controlled by government. Please Slinging Sammy confirm with your links. The housing inventory existed before the sub prime loans. This will prove my hypothesis. Housing BOOM!!!
__________________
BP Bush/Palin 2012
joethiesmanfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 11:03 AM   #224
The Starter
 
joethiesmanfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,163
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

There are houses, too many we can't sell. Find one you like and we will work with you to own it.
__________________
BP Bush/Palin 2012
joethiesmanfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2010, 11:21 AM   #225
The Starter
 
joethiesmanfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,163
Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

[quote=firstdown;698800]
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlmpetert View Post
Mexico's illegals laws tougher than Arizona's - Washington Times


Back on subject. Looks like a double standard that Mexico and Mexicans are using. If a Mexican feels the need to protest here why are they not protesting in Mexico? This was a good summary for their laws.

Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.
The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," violate Mexican law, are not "physically or mentally healthy" or lack the "necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents.

Look, we don;t get down like that. in other words we are not gonna become a police state jsust to exact revenge for that racher's murder, RIP. Typical over reaction similar to patriot act.
__________________
BP Bush/Palin 2012
joethiesmanfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.33841 seconds with 9 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25