Cop Punches Student

firstdown · 06-17-2010, 09:39 AM

I'm guess most here have either heard or seen the clip with a cop punching a student who had pushed him as he was trying to arrest her friend. Was the cop wrong for what he did and what if any actions should be taking against him?

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CRedskinsRule · 06-17-2010, 09:56 AM

Well I hadn't seen it. As always you have to avoid the rush to judgement, but geez the flat out punch seemed clearly out of line, and borderline criminal assault. I imagine he will be put on leave immediately and an investigation began. My initial reaction would be completely against the cop.

firstdown · 06-17-2010, 10:08 AM

While I think he may have over reacted some the girl had no business coming in and pushing the officer. The officer also has to wonder if anyone else is going to jump in and he has to keep a handle on the situation before it gets futher out of control. How does the cop know if she is going to start swinging on him along with the other girl who is pushing him off?

Slingin Sammy 33 · 06-17-2010, 10:14 AM

Couldn't pay me enough to be a cop, all this over a jay-walking ticket I believe. Thank God this situation didn't escalate even further than it already had. Could've been handled in a much better way, by all parties involved.

CRedskinsRule · 06-17-2010, 10:18 AM

The fact is, I never once saw him radio for additional units, he was in an untenable situation, he had to see the cell phone cameras recording him, I counted at least 3 including the one the video is from, she pushed but he took a lunging step forward to land a solid punch to the face, by that time he had lost control of the situation, and would have been better off radioing for help and getting names and addresses. Again, I don't know what precipitated the initial contact, but unless it was a violent action, his actions only worsened the situation. If the car was the girl's as it appeared to me, she wasn't going to walk away, and he could have calmed the situation by requesting back up and using words, instead, as is to often the case it appears he decided he was going to use his authority and obvious size advantage to subdue them (a silly mistake in my mind)

over the mountain · 06-17-2010, 10:35 AM

if the lady who pushed him was a threat to his safety that warranted a punch, how come after he punches her he just goes right back to grabbing the other girls wrists. he obviously didnt view her as a physical threat b/c after he punches her he pays no attention to her. if she was a threat then why didnt he try to neutralize the threat?

why is this cop playing around and grabbing her wrists. that isnt proper procedure. give her clear and loud verbal instructions. if she refuses then order her to put her hands behind her back. if she refuses, then use your cop training to put her hands behind her back.

how a cop cant properly restrain and handcuff a women is a joke. ive never seen a cop trying what he is doing. did he not get trained?

724Skinsfan · 06-17-2010, 10:37 AM

This guy may have a future in politics.

KLHJ2 · 06-17-2010, 10:43 AM

You don't want to get punched, then don't push a cop. He probably could have handled the situation better, but I do not fault him. She was trying to help a friend resist arrest. You just don't do that and not expect consequences.

You have the right to subdue/neutralize the target by using the minimum force necessary up to and including "Deadly force". Was the punch the minimum amount of force necessary? Probably not, but it wasn't much more than what was necessary.

I was in a similar situation when I was in the desert and that situation called for a butt stroke to the head series. He wasn't resisting over jaywalking though.

firstdown · 06-17-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by over the mountain

if the lady who pushed him was a threat to his safety that warranted a punch, how come after he punches her he just goes right back to grabbing the other girls wrists. he obviously didnt view her as a physical threat b/c after he punches her he pays no attention to her. if she was a threat then why didnt he try to neutralize the threat?

why is this cop playing around and grabbing her wrists. that isnt proper procedure. give her clear and loud verbal instructions. if she refuses then order her to put her hands behind her back. if she refuses, then use your cop training to put her hands behind her back.

how a cop cant properly restrain and handcuff a women is a joke. ive never seen a cop trying what he is doing. did he not get trained?

You need to watch the video again. The car was a cop car with lights and police stickers down the side. After he punch the girl he pursued her (pink shirt) down the side of the car and thats when the other girl (black shirt)came up behind him grabbing and pushing the cop. He then turned to her and the guy (green Shirt) grabbed the girl in pink and pulled her out of the way. Sorry after watching this several time she got what she deserved.

saden1 · 06-17-2010, 11:02 AM

What she did was absolutely wrong but damn if what the officer did isn't wrong either. You have to assess the situation and clearly he put himself and others in danger by taking on the whole street alone. At one point he has the two girls at the same time and his gun exposed. Not having backup and manhandling people alone is not what they teach you at the police academy, at least I hope not. This cop is not street ready, get him of the streets and get him some more training.

How would I have handled it? I would put a distance between me and the teens...unbuckle my holster and put my hand on my gun, inform them that they have 3 seconds comply to my commands. If they don't obey, draw the gun though not point at them...if they still don't obey, then you call for backup and charge them with resisting arrest and fleeing.

firstdown · 06-17-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by saden1

What she did was absolutely wrong but damn if what the officer did isn't wrong either. You have to assess the situation and clearly he put himself and others in danger by taking on the whole street alone. At one point he has the two girls at the same time and his gun exposed. Not having backup and manhandling people alone is not what they teach you at the police academy, at least I hope not. This cop is not street ready, get him of the streets and get him some more training.

How would I have handled it? I would put a distance between me and the teens...unbuckle my holster and put my hand on my gun, inform them that they have 3 seconds comply to my commands. If they don't obey, draw the gun though not point at them...if they still don't obey, then you call for backup and charge them with resisting arrest and fleeing.

While I agree with what you said its much easier to look at this on film after the fact and we don't know that he had not called for back up.

jdlea · 06-17-2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

You need to watch the video again. The car was a cop car with lights and police stickers down the side. After he punch the girl he pursued her (pink shirt) down the side of the car and thats when the other girl (black shirt)came up behind him grabbing and pushing the cop. He then turned to her and the guy (green Shirt) grabbed the girl in pink and pulled her out of the way. Sorry after watching this several time she got what she deserved.

I don't know that "she got what she deserved," but she definitely ran the risk of it happening by going after the officer. She came up and pushed him, I don't think he should have punched her, and I don't think he should have punched her, but she definitely put herself in harm's way by helping her friend resist arrest.

SolidSnake84 · 06-17-2010, 11:21 AM

You can't put your hands on a cop for any reason and not expect to get tasered or punched. Just like i agreed with that cop 2 years ago who tasered that old lady that was cursing and beating on him. To try and physically restrain her could have done worse damage than the taser.

A punch could have been excessive, but what else could he do other than taker her down or hit her with pepper spray or the taser....

firstdown · 06-17-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

You can't put your hands on a cop for any reason and not expect to get tasered or punched. Just like i agreed with that cop 2 years ago who tasered that old lady that was cursing and beating on him. To try and physically restrain her could have done worse damage than the taser.

A punch could have been excessive, but what else could he do other than taker her down or hit her with pepper spray or the taser....

You noticed she did not get back in his face after that.

Hog1 · 06-17-2010, 11:45 AM

He let his ego get in the way of good judgement. Both the ladies get assault on a cop and whatever else they...need. He gets reprimanded for being stupid. ALL is well, have a nice day..........

06-17-2010, 09:56 AM	#2
CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 10,901	Re: Cop Punches Student Well I hadn't seen it. As always you have to avoid the rush to judgement, but geez the flat out punch seemed clearly out of line, and borderline criminal assault. I imagine he will be put on leave immediately and an investigation began. My initial reaction would be completely against the cop.

06-17-2010, 10:08 AM	#3
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,179	Re: Cop Punches Student While I think he may have over reacted some the girl had no business coming in and pushing the officer. The officer also has to wonder if anyone else is going to jump in and he has to keep a handle on the situation before it gets futher out of control. How does the cop know if she is going to start swinging on him along with the other girl who is pushing him off?

06-17-2010, 10:14 AM	#4
Slingin Sammy 33 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 4,202	Re: Cop Punches Student Couldn't pay me enough to be a cop, all this over a jay-walking ticket I believe. Thank God this situation didn't escalate even further than it already had. Could've been handled in a much better way, by all parties involved. __________________ ...[If] an angel fairy came down and said, '[You can have anything]....you would like to own,' I wouldn't be surprised if you said a football club and particularly the Washington Redskins.'' — Jack Kent Cooke, 1996.

06-17-2010, 10:18 AM	#5
CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 10,901	Re: Cop Punches Student The fact is, I never once saw him radio for additional units, he was in an untenable situation, he had to see the cell phone cameras recording him, I counted at least 3 including the one the video is from, she pushed but he took a lunging step forward to land a solid punch to the face, by that time he had lost control of the situation, and would have been better off radioing for help and getting names and addresses. Again, I don't know what precipitated the initial contact, but unless it was a violent action, his actions only worsened the situation. If the car was the girl's as it appeared to me, she wasn't going to walk away, and he could have calmed the situation by requesting back up and using words, instead, as is to often the case it appears he decided he was going to use his authority and obvious size advantage to subdue them (a silly mistake in my mind)

06-17-2010, 10:35 AM	#6
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: baltimore Posts: 2,666	Re: Cop Punches Student if the lady who pushed him was a threat to his safety that warranted a punch, how come after he punches her he just goes right back to grabbing the other girls wrists. he obviously didnt view her as a physical threat b/c after he punches her he pays no attention to her. if she was a threat then why didnt he try to neutralize the threat? why is this cop playing around and grabbing her wrists. that isnt proper procedure. give her clear and loud verbal instructions. if she refuses then order her to put her hands behind her back. if she refuses, then use your cop training to put her hands behind her back. how a cop cant properly restrain and handcuff a women is a joke. ive never seen a cop trying what he is doing. did he not get trained? __________________ Fails to lock onto the defender, at times, preferring to violently shove his target to the ground and look for others.

06-17-2010, 10:37 AM	#7
724Skinsfan Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 3,468	Re: Cop Punches Student This guy may have a future in politics. __________________ "I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn

06-17-2010, 10:43 AM	#8
KLHJ2 Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 34 Posts: 5,823	Re: Cop Punches Student You don't want to get punched, then don't push a cop. He probably could have handled the situation better, but I do not fault him. She was trying to help a friend resist arrest. You just don't do that and not expect consequences. You have the right to subdue/neutralize the target by using the minimum force necessary up to and including "Deadly force". Was the punch the minimum amount of force necessary? Probably not, but it wasn't much more than what was necessary. I was in a similar situation when I was in the desert and that situation called for a butt stroke to the head series. He wasn't resisting over jaywalking though. __________________ Read "The Book", life will gain meaning.

06-17-2010, 11:02 AM	#10
saden1 Eternally Legendary Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 33 Posts: 9,734	Re: Cop Punches Student What she did was absolutely wrong but damn if what the officer did isn't wrong either. You have to assess the situation and clearly he put himself and others in danger by taking on the whole street alone. At one point he has the two girls at the same time and his gun exposed. Not having backup and manhandling people alone is not what they teach you at the police academy, at least I hope not. This cop is not street ready, get him of the streets and get him some more training. How would I have handled it? I would put a distance between me and the teens...unbuckle my holster and put my hand on my gun, inform them that they have 3 seconds comply to my commands. If they don't obey, draw the gun though not point at them...if they still don't obey, then you call for backup and charge them with resisting arrest and fleeing. __________________ RG3, RGIII, RG三, RG३, RGγʹ, RGג, RG٣, RG๓, RG..., RG셋, RGԳ!

06-17-2010, 11:21 AM	#13
SolidSnake84 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 1,716	Re: Cop Punches Student You can't put your hands on a cop for any reason and not expect to get tasered or punched. Just like i agreed with that cop 2 years ago who tasered that old lady that was cursing and beating on him. To try and physically restrain her could have done worse damage than the taser. A punch could have been excessive, but what else could he do other than taker her down or hit her with pepper spray or the taser.... __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

06-17-2010, 11:45 AM	#15
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,372	Re: Cop Punches Student He let his ego get in the way of good judgement. Both the ladies get assault on a cop and whatever else they...need. He gets reprimanded for being stupid. ALL is well, have a nice day.......... __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

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