Utah killer executed by firing squad

InsaneBoost · 06-18-2010, 07:51 PM

I always hear about how much executions cost yady yada yada, but how much does it cost the taxpayer in the end? Probably not that much - and when it gets scum like John Allen Muhammad out of here, I don't mind paying it at all.

I guess it's more of an opinion to me, I'd pay the money to get a rapist murderer or anything along that line out of here, they have no meaning to life. Sure you can lock them away for life, but I'd rather pay for the death than to keep them alive, them and the other thousands that are serving life sentences, let alone them having a chance for getting out in 25 years on good behavior just makes me sick.

Lotus · 06-18-2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Total up the millions being spent on death row cases, divide it by the number of taxpayers in this country, and you're talking about a cost of no more than $1 per taxpayer per year.

Sometimes it's important to keep numbers in perspective. "Millions" is nothing when it comes to the US budget.

Yes, I'll gladly pay my $1 to see these people get what's coming.

My guess is that a school near you is firing teachers because there is not enough money. So let me put the equation this way: abolish the death penalty and provide better educations by keeping teachers on the job or keep killing people and provide worse educations because teachers must be fired.

htownskinfan · 06-18-2010, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Not many people are convicted in todays world without DNA evidence to convict them. I say when we are 100% sure we have the right person give them one appeal then death.

Dna gets screwed up all the time,the lab here in houston has ****ed up so many cases its unreal.Also I watched a show the iother night and part of it was about some woman who had 4 kids and none of them matched her dna.So its pretty damn hard to be 100% sure.As far as the death penalty is concerned,I dont care if they keep it or do away with it

GhettoDogAllStars · 06-21-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

It's not about the money. It's about justice. And don't give me all that jazz about innocent people getting convicted. More innocent people die every year on our highways than have ever been mistakenly executed by the criminal justice system. That's life!

Dude, you're smarter than this. Just because innocent people die every day doesn't justify killing them intentionally. Is-Ought Confusion.

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All of you moralist will whistle a different tune when your wife, mother, or daughter is raped and strangled to death by an illegal alien.

Another fallacy -- Appeal to Emotion maybe?

Hog1 · 06-21-2010, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

My guess is that a school near you is firing teachers because there is not enough money. So let me put the equation this way: abolish the death penalty and provide better educations by keeping teachers on the job or keep killing people and provide worse educations because teachers must be fired.

So....your ok with firing teachers to pay for "housing" prisoners for life? OR did you just want to let em' all go so we can save that expense in order to hire more teachers?

GhettoDogAllStars · 06-21-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

So....your ok with firing teachers to pay for "housing" prisoners for life? OR did you just want to let em' all go so we can save that expense in order to hire more teachers?

I say let 'em all go, and make them teach our kids.

Schneed10 · 06-22-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

My guess is that a school near you is firing teachers because there is not enough money. So let me put the equation this way: abolish the death penalty and provide better educations by keeping teachers on the job or keep killing people and provide worse educations because teachers must be fired.

Public schools are largely supported by local real estate taxes, not the federal budget. Some of the poorer areas get supported by federal money. But my school district is doing fine, and that's all I give a rat's ass about.

Your point does not withstand. The millions we "waste" on the death penalty amounts to a drop in the bucket for even the poorest of Americans.

Mattyk · 06-22-2010, 10:15 AM

The death penalty should be abolished for so many reasons. The cost, the hypocrisy of it, the fact that too many innocent people are wrongly put to death, etc. It's just barbaric. As a so called "civilized" society we should be better than this.

firstdown · 06-22-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

My guess is that a school near you is firing teachers because there is not enough money. So let me put the equation this way: abolish the death penalty and provide better educations by keeping teachers on the job or keep killing people and provide worse educations because teachers must be fired.

Yea lets throw more money into a failing education system that spends more then any other country.

Worldwide education and library spending [OCLC]

Slingin Sammy 33 · 06-22-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

The death penalty should be abolished for so many reasons. The cost, the hypocrisy of it, the fact that too many innocent people are wrongly put to death, etc. It's just barbaric. As a so called "civilized" society we should be better than this.

Part of the state's authority in administering justice is to provide retribution to the victims and society in general. Someone rapes/murders my wife, sister or kills my son, godson, or niece, the state damn well better execute the SOB. If not, I'd do everything in my power to find a way to handle it.

The number of innocent people executed is extremely small and even smaller with today's better technology. What about the people who commit murder that would classify as a death penalty punishment, aren't they barbaric? A civilized society is ruled by laws, and violation of those laws requires punishment.

firstdown · 06-22-2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

The death penalty should be abolished for so many reasons. The cost, the hypocrisy of it, the fact that too many innocent people are wrongly put to death, etc. It's just barbaric. As a so called "civilized" society we should be better than this.

So how many innocent people are wrongly put to death?

Hog1 · 06-22-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I say let 'em all go, and make them teach our kids.

Death Penalty? maybe
MAKE them teach our kids......to cruel even for me......

Mattyk · 06-22-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

So how many innocent people are wrongly put to death?

Isn't just one person one too many?

Wrongful execution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Alot of good info on this site

Death Penalty Information Center

Mattyk · 06-22-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Part of the state's authority in administering justice is to provide retribution to the victims and society in general. Someone rapes/murders my wife, sister or kills my son, godson, or niece, the state damn well better execute the SOB. If not, I'd do everything in my power to find a way to handle it.

The number of innocent people executed is extremely small and even smaller with today's better technology. What about the people who commit murder that would classify as a death penalty punishment, aren't they barbaric? A civilized society is ruled by laws, and violation of those laws requires punishment.

Murder is murder, period. Saying it's only justified as a punishment makes no sense to me at all. Yes, the act of murder should be punished. Life in prison is just fine. This eye for an eye bullshit however is absurd and caveman-esque thinking.

There are no statistics to show that the death penalty acts as a deterent and most families with a murdered family member report no feeling of satisfaction when their killer is put to death.

firstdown · 06-22-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Murder is murder, period. Saying it's only justified as a punishment makes no sense to me at all. Yes, the act of murder should be punished. Life in prison is just fine. This eye for an eye bullshit however is absurd and caveman-esque thinking.

There are no statistics to show that the death penalty acts as a deterent and most families with a murdered family member report no feeling of satisfaction when their killer is put to death.

Are you just making stuff up there are statistics

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06-18-2010, 07:51 PM	#16
InsaneBoost The Starter Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: DC Age: 25 Posts: 1,292	Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad I always hear about how much executions cost yady yada yada, but how much does it cost the taxpayer in the end? Probably not that much - and when it gets scum like John Allen Muhammad out of here, I don't mind paying it at all. I guess it's more of an opinion to me, I'd pay the money to get a rapist murderer or anything along that line out of here, they have no meaning to life. Sure you can lock them away for life, but I'd rather pay for the death than to keep them alive, them and the other thousands that are serving life sentences, let alone them having a chance for getting out in 25 years on good behavior just makes me sick. __________________ Twitter @InsaneBoost Content Director at Son of Washington

06-22-2010, 10:15 AM	#23
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,652	Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad The death penalty should be abolished for so many reasons. The cost, the hypocrisy of it, the fact that too many innocent people are wrongly put to death, etc. It's just barbaric. As a so called "civilized" society we should be better than this. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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