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Old 07-21-2010, 02:25 PM   #121
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Everyday with them is "Amateur Hour".
Rumor has it that even if they called for her reinstatement, she may not want the job back. That would be classic. She is fully maintaining that a phone call from the White House forced her out of her job. Apparently she was on the road, and got a call on her cell saying she may have to resign. Then a few minutes later her phone rang again, and it was a USDA higher-up telling her to pull the car over and resign immediately. Huh.
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Sadly, I have to agree with Saden on this point.

IF and most likely when, the US population ever stops giving tacit consent to the government it would be through a violent uprising. As an example of tacit consent, if you drive a car, you have tacitly acknowledged the government's right to create laws enabling the safe conduct of interstate travel. Likewise, if you use dollars, you are acknowledging that the federal government has the right to use those same dollars. The high lack of voter turnout actually also represents the basic consent for this government.

If it was not consented to by a majority of non-voters we would see rebellions and uprisings. Most US citizens do accept the Federal and State government, even though most also have been spoon fed a whole ton of manure about the reality of how our government works. I think a lot of non-voters are people like me, who accept the fundamental concept of our government, but can't find one d*** person worth voting for, at least from the republican and democratic hegemony.
I don't know why that's sad, we should celebrate
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scud, if Obama waits to collect all of the facts, its " why is he taking so long?" if he acts immediately, it " why not wait to get all the facts?" which way would you like it? he waited with the spill, and you screamed on him. he reacted immediately with her, and you screamed on him. we already know your political views. don't keep backing it up with this nonsense
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:40 PM   #124
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I don't know why that's sad, we should celebrate
It's sad because what he's saying is, we have a shitty government because the general populace is a bunch of schmucks!
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I don't know why that's sad, we should celebrate
I dunno, but somehow felt like I was rooting for a Dallas win in order for the Skins to get in the playoffs

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scud, if Obama waits to collect all of the facts, its " why is he taking so long?" if he acts immediately, it " why not wait to get all the facts?" which way would you like it? he waited with the spill, and you screamed on him. he reacted immediately with her, and you screamed on him. we already know your political views. don't keep backing it up with this nonsense
Nonsense? Comparing this to the spill is what's nonsense. Two totally different situations on so many levels that require two different reactions. Pretty obvious. Now shhhh. I'm listening to Gibbs right now, who just said that "members of this administration made determinations and judgments without the full set of facts. Mrs. Sherrod is owed an apology on behalf of this administration."

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scud, if Obama waits to collect all of the facts, its " why is he taking so long?" if he acts immediately, it " why not wait to get all the facts?" which way would you like it? he waited with the spill, and you screamed on him. he reacted immediately with her, and you screamed on him. we already know your political views. don't keep backing it up with this nonsense
You know what I'm saying...the administration overreacted for sure but these people really don't give a sh*t what happened so long as they can say "look, the goofballs f'ed up again."
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You know what I'm saying...the administration overreacted for sure but these people really don't give a sh*t what happened so long as they can say "look, the goofballs f'ed up again."
Not true. I care. I'm no Obama supporter to be sure, but unlike blowhards like Limbaugh, I'm not cheering for him to fail. But I'll damn sure point it out when he screws the pooch.
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I will not go as far to say she is not a racist because I think the way she expressed what she was saying had a racist sound. I'm not sure there is anything wrong with that back when she said that and knowing her father was kill by a few white men. Is she a racist today I don't know and not sure how you can say its quite obvious she is not a racist when you don't really know any thing about her.
Have you watched the entire clip or at least read about it?

I'm guessing no.

Here's the deal. She was telling a story of how she was faced with helping a white farmer save his farm. She struggled with this as she couldn't help but think of how many black farmers had lost their farms and here she is having to help a white person with the same issue. At that time she felt that whites had advantages over blacks and were treated better. But having worked with the white farmer she came to realize that the problem was bigger than black vs white and it was an experience that helped her grow as a person. I'm pretty confident she's not a racist.

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It's sad because what he's saying is, we have a shitty government because the general populace is a bunch of schmucks!
Our govt. has it's share of issues - no doubt. It is, however, far from shitty. Somalia, Zimbabwe, Chad, Sudan - now that's shitty (or non-existent) government.

You would probably do well there. It's all about who has the biggest gun and not seeing civilization as anything more than your local tribe/clan/(insert hunter-gatherer grouping of choice).
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Our govt. has it's share of issues - no doubt. It is, however, far from shitty. Somalia, Zimbabwe, Chad, Sudan - now that's shitty (or non-existent) government.

You would probably do well there. It's all about who has the biggest gun and not seeing civilization as anything more than your local tribe/clan/(insert hunter-gatherer grouping of choice).
That's like saying, eating gritts everyday sucks but at least it's not sawdust.
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You know what? In Oakland, I can walk into the street. Shout at the top of my lungs, "I HATE THIS F'ing CITY AND THE MAYOR IS AN IDIOT, THE POLICE ARE CORRUPT AND GOD BLESS THE KKK".

Now, the local population may take offence, I may have to beat a hasty retreat and the "idiot police" may just look the other way (proving the truth of my statement) as I run from those other members of the populace that who wish to persuade me about the error of my beliefs.

BUT, guess what, the police won't hunt me down to make an example of me. The mayor won't enact laws to ban or jail me. My mail will still come to my house. My driver's license won't be revoked. My taxes won't increase relative to those who support the police and mayor. I won't have to pay off a corrupt govt. official to get my trashed picked up the next day. The local utilities won't be able to charge me (as opposed to my neighbor) more for services rendered. etc. etc.

You're living with 300,000,000 other people in the US, Trample - deal.
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Our govt. has it's share of issues - no doubt. It is, however, far from shitty. Somalia, Zimbabwe, Chad, Sudan - now that's shitty (or non-existent) government.

You would probably do well there. It's all about who has the biggest gun and not seeing civilization as anything more than your local tribe/clan/(insert hunter-gatherer grouping of choice).
Our gov't fails an awful lot , I think we are great because of the declerations , Bill of Rights , laws that were written years ago , much more than todays idiots . Our Corporations , small businesses not our elected officials turn our wheels and drive our jobs / economy , while Washington has continued to ring up debt and deficits . When we spend < local > 5 million dollars for a 70 ft stretch of highway , or use 2 million more on a 60 ft long < 4 ft. tall > bridge ... and it take over half a year ... thats bad . I agree that we are much better off here < I have never left our borders , nor will I > Washington needs to improve a great deal ... as they should do what is best for we the people .
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That's like saying, eating gritts everyday sucks but at least it's not sawdust.
1. Ain't nothing wrong with a daily plate o' grits.

2. Okay then - "shitty" compared to what? "shitty" compared to a perfect world in which we all agree on everything? "Shitty" compared to a govt. of a country with a population of 5,000,000 in which approximately only 20-30% of that population can actually vote? "Shitty" compared to Denmark?

The federal, state, and local system all have their flaws all overlap and all could be much better. That's what happens when 300 million, 43 million (population of California), and 400K (Oakland) or so people all have a voice in how the union, the state and the city will be governed.

Amazingly, not everyone agrees with one another.
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You know what? In Oakland, I can walk into the street. Shout at the top of my lungs, "I HATE THIS F'ing CITY AND THE MAYOR IS AN IDIOT, THE POLICE ARE CORRUPT AND GOD BLESS THE KKK".

Now, the local population may take offence, I may have to beat a hasty retreat and the "idiot police" may just look the other way (proving the truth of my statement) as I run from those other members of the populace that who wish to persuade me about the error of my beliefs.

BUT, guess what, the police won't hunt me down to make an example of me. The mayor won't enact laws to ban or jail me. My mail will still come to my house. My driver's license won't be revoked. My taxes won't increase relative to those who support the police and mayor. I won't have to pay off a corrupt govt. official to get my trashed picked up the next day. The local utilities won't be able to charge me (as opposed to my neighbor) more for services rendered. etc. etc.

You're living with 300,000,000 other people in the US, Trample - deal.
That's not all you can do in Oakland.

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