For JTF's Reading Pleasure: "What is the Tea Party"

Mattyk · 07-21-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Not sure if the film was doctored but to be fair I should know the context of what she said before judging her. I don't have time to listen to her entire speech so I'll retract calling her a racist and leave it at that. I have not followed the story on Fox or any other news source and passed my judgment off a 30 second clip and should not pass judgment until I know the facts. I don't want to do what I accuse others of doing all the time.

Yes the clip that started all if this was edited to the point where the context was completely lost. If you watch or just read about what her entire speech was about it's quite obvious she is not a racist.

GMScud · 07-21-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

all this huff and puff about a movement that will be long gone come 2012

You're right. Once the Democrats are back out of office, the Tea Party movement will likely quiet down.

National (US) Poll * July 21, 2010 * Obama Approval Drops To Lowest - Quinnipiac University – Hamden, Connecticut

saden1 · 07-21-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I'm through talking to you. If the Democrats came and burned down your house, you'd find a way to justify it in your mind. You're just a party hack. There are others that can be saved from the brainwashing. You're simply a lost cause.

I guess the American people all consent to the US government borrowing money from China to give to Hamas and to Pakistan?

Nah, I'd shoot them dead on the spot then find a way to justify my action to the police.

Yes they do, collectively the American people consent to everything America does. Those who vote and those who don't vote are culpable for the actions of America. To think otherwise if foolish.

Trample the Elderly · 07-21-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Nah, I'd shoot them dead on the spot then find a way to justify my action to the police.

Yes they do, collectively the American people consent to everything America does. Those who vote and those who don't vote are culpable for the actions of America. To think otherwise if foolish.

Poor schmuck.

If doesn't matter in the end. Eff you I'm eating! Ha ha ha ha

CRedskinsRule · 07-21-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Nah, I'd shoot them dead on the spot then find a way to justify my action to the police.

Yes they do, collectively the American people consent to everything America does. Those who vote and those who don't vote are culpable for the actions of America. To think otherwise if foolish.

Sadly, I have to agree with Saden on this point.

IF and most likely when, the US population ever stops giving tacit consent to the government it would be through a violent uprising. As an example of tacit consent, if you drive a car, you have tacitly acknowledged the government's right to create laws enabling the safe conduct of interstate travel. Likewise, if you use dollars, you are acknowledging that the federal government has the right to use those same dollars. The high lack of voter turnout actually also represents the basic consent for this government.

If it was not consented to by a majority of non-voters we would see rebellions and uprisings. Most US citizens do accept the Federal and State government, even though most also have been spoon fed a whole ton of manure about the reality of how our government works. I think a lot of non-voters are people like me, who accept the fundamental concept of our government, but can't find one d*** person worth voting for, at least from the republican and democratic hegemony.

Trample the Elderly · 07-21-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

all this huff and puff about a movement that will be long gone come 2012

Like your job?

Trample the Elderly · 07-21-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Sadly, I have to agree with Saden on this point.

IF and most likely when, the US population ever stops giving tacit consent to the government it would be through a violent uprising. As an example of tacit consent, if you drive a car, you have tacitly acknowledged the government's right to create laws enabling the safe conduct of interstate travel. Likewise, if you use dollars, you are acknowledging that the federal government has the right to use those same dollars. The high lack of voter turnout actually also represents the basic consent for this government.

If it was not consented to by a majority of non-voters we would see rebellions and uprisings. Most US citizens do accept the Federal and State government, even though most also have been spoon fed a whole ton of manure about the reality of how our government works. I think a lot of non-voters are people like me, who accept the fundamental concept of our government, but can't find one d*** person worth voting for, at least from the republican and democratic hegemony.

Your argument would make sense if the government obeyed it's own laws. It does not. Therefore it is a illegitimate criminal enterprise. Yes people in the US have been dumbed down. What can I say, they'll make great pets. There is no consent, only the power of the Army and the police. Sooner or later they'll be out of the way. Then it's pay-back time and I can't wait. ha ha ha

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budw38 · 07-21-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Sadly, I have to agree with Saden on this point.

IF and most likely when, the US population ever stops giving tacit consent to the government it would be through a violent uprising. As an example of tacit consent, if you drive a car, you have tacitly acknowledged the government's right to create laws enabling the safe conduct of interstate travel. Likewise, if you use dollars, you are acknowledging that the federal government has the right to use those same dollars. The high lack of voter turnout actually also represents the basic consent for this government.

If it was not consented to by a majority of non-voters we would see rebellions and uprisings. Most US citizens do accept the Federal and State government, even though most also have been spoon fed a whole ton of manure about the reality of how our government works. I think a lot of non-voters are people like me, who accept the fundamental concept of our government, but can't find one d*** person worth voting for, at least from the republican and democratic hegemony.

Excellent post sir .

CRedskinsRule · 07-21-2010, 01:35 PM

One reason the defense industry will not be truly downsized is that the politicians don't want to have a flood of ex military running around. The police not so much, because they don't know how to operate the equipment that could really make the government scared, but we will never see true military cuts, and one day the US Caesar will find a message that resonates with the disenfranchised. but not this year.

Trample the Elderly · 07-21-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

One reason the defense industry will not be truly downsized is that the politicians don't want to have a flood of ex military running around. The police not so much, because they don't know how to operate the equipment that could really make the government scared, but we will never see true military cuts, and one day the US Caesar will find a message that resonates with the disenfranchised. but not this year.

The military is no longer the military. They have been enmeshed with other industries and the CIA. Nor is the responsibilty of the military in its hands solely. Private contractors don't answer to the public. If there were no contractors we would've had a draft for Iraq. The government follows the law only when it's profitable to someone connected to it. Look at how Goldman was held up while Lehman went down in flames. They've nationalized the little guys because the big boys -who control them- told them to do so. They're just warming up. If you thought Jorge Bush was bad, wait until President Hussein enters his lame duck period.

In a way you and Saden are right, but to admit that would mean that the majority of the American public is a bunch of idiotic jerks. I still have hope that isn't the case. The Tea Party movement gives me hope that this isn't the case by a long shot. Partisan hacks may believe that the Tea Party is all about Obama and the fact that Republicans are out of power. The Tea Party is about the fact that neither party represent them. In our eyes, this government is illegitimate through its own illegal actions.

firstdown · 07-21-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yes the clip that started all if this was edited to the point where the context was completely lost. If you watch or just read about what her entire speech was about it's quite obvious she is not a racist.

I will not go as far to say she is not a racist because I think the way she expressed what she was saying had a racist sound. I'm not sure there is anything wrong with that back when she said that and knowing her father was kill by a few white men. Is she a racist today I don't know and not sure how you can say its quite obvious she is not a racist when you don't really know any thing about her.

GMScud · 07-21-2010, 02:15 PM

Regardless Obama and Co has fumbled yet again. First they "fully support" her losing her job, then they decide to have another look at the issue, and now they may call for her reinstatement (presser forthcoming in the next few minutes)??

Shouldn't they have maybe waited for all the facts to come in?

firstdown · 07-21-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Regardless Obama and Co has fumbled yet again. First they "fully support" her losing her job, then they decide to have another look at the issue, and now they may call for her reinstatement (presser forthcoming in the next few minutes)??

Shouldn't they have maybe waited for all the facts to come in?

Everyday with them is "Amateur Hour".

GMScud · 07-21-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Everyday with them is "Amateur Hour".

Rumor has it that even if they called for her reinstatement, she may not want the job back. That would be classic. She is fully maintaining that a phone call from the White House forced her out of her job. Apparently she was on the road, and got a call on her cell saying she may have to resign. Then a few minutes later her phone rang again, and it was a USDA higher-up telling her to pull the car over and resign immediately. Huh.

saden1 · 07-21-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Sadly, I have to agree with Saden on this point.

IF and most likely when, the US population ever stops giving tacit consent to the government it would be through a violent uprising. As an example of tacit consent, if you drive a car, you have tacitly acknowledged the government's right to create laws enabling the safe conduct of interstate travel. Likewise, if you use dollars, you are acknowledging that the federal government has the right to use those same dollars. The high lack of voter turnout actually also represents the basic consent for this government.

If it was not consented to by a majority of non-voters we would see rebellions and uprisings. Most US citizens do accept the Federal and State government, even though most also have been spoon fed a whole ton of manure about the reality of how our government works. I think a lot of non-voters are people like me, who accept the fundamental concept of our government, but can't find one d*** person worth voting for, at least from the republican and democratic hegemony.

I don't know why that's sad, we should celebrate

07-21-2010, 01:35 PM	#129
CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 10,900	Re: For JTF's Reading Pleasure: "What is the Tea Party" One reason the defense industry will not be truly downsized is that the politicians don't want to have a flood of ex military running around. The police not so much, because they don't know how to operate the equipment that could really make the government scared, but we will never see true military cuts, and one day the US Caesar will find a message that resonates with the disenfranchised. but not this year.

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GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Age: 34 Posts: 12,623	Re: For JTF's Reading Pleasure: "What is the Tea Party" Regardless Obama and Co has fumbled yet again. First they "fully support" her losing her job, then they decide to have another look at the issue, and now they may call for her reinstatement (presser forthcoming in the next few minutes)?? Shouldn't they have maybe waited for all the facts to come in? __________________ Insert witty signature here

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