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Old 08-25-2010, 04:33 PM   #16
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As a proud Democrat, liberal, socialist commie, facist, or whatever you guys are calling us these days, my biggest hope in defeating the Republicans for the White House is that the GOP will extrapolate the mid-term results as the formula to defeat Obama 2012.

For what it's worth, and certainly unrelated to this thread, there are rumblings that the White House may be considering switching Joe Biden's and Hillary Clinton's posts for the 2012 ticket. She would become the new star of the Democrat party if that happens. There's not a Republican, Sarah Palin included, that would energize their base like Veep Clinton. Considering that Joe Biden has been very visible and vocal on both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, it's possible they are slowly switching their foreign policy roles. Stay tuned kids.
You lie! The tea party is awesomely unstoppable. They are everyday Americas and we know that everyday Americans can't be stopped. Yeee-ha!
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Old 08-25-2010, 05:06 PM   #17
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Well at least your honest enough to admit what they are. The dems seem to know how to keep them poor and just happy enough to vote for them. I also notice how unemployment has become part of the mix with other social programs. Teach a man how not to work and you have a man who sits on his ass.
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Old 08-25-2010, 05:18 PM   #18
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You forgot Lord [Obama] sure knows how to take vacation.
Sundays are the Lord's day to rest and soon Redskins day. Get 'er Rested!
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Old 08-25-2010, 05:53 PM   #19
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back to my question FD. what have the GOP done for the poor?
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Old 08-26-2010, 12:43 AM   #20
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it is amazing how people who HAVE a job...say that people who DONT have a job are lazy and gaming the system. Please let someone who DOESNT have a job speak up. What have the dems and Obama done:

1.Extended unemployment (which my wife needed after being laid off twice in 2 years)
2.Healthcare (my brother found out he had cancer days before he graduated from TCU and didnt have health insurance)
3. Credit card reform (companies wont jack up your fees without telling you in advance)
4. Tax breaks for the middle class (hey tea party....TAX BREAKS)
5. Increased pell grants for college students

If you have lived a "perfect" life then you wouldnt understand this....so you would rather criticize instead of provide SOLUTIONS. I get it....you want your country back....to the way it was when bush put us in this freaking hole!!!!! or .....you want your country back from a black president huh???
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Old 08-26-2010, 10:59 AM   #21
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The backbone of the Tea Party is over-55s and especially retirees -- some planned, some forced -- with the most valuable asset of all, time.

i think the above sums it up.

One thing tea party gets right are term limits...its time to get that changed asap
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Old 08-27-2010, 12:32 PM   #22
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Don't play that stupid race card here its does not work. You made some good points but then you waisted them by playing that old worn out race card.
You play the lazy card well, it's only fair he be able to play his card.
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work harder, millions on welfare depend on you!
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:25 PM   #24
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back to my question FD. what have the GOP done for the poor?
And of course this in the end is the doom of the country. (Melodramatic I know)

The GOP will never "do for the poor" because of the concept of self-reliance. Thus, the "poor" shall always be swayed by those who offer other people's money as a way of being less poor. It is the well of the rich can be less rich, so that the poor are less poor argument. It works great in vote getting, and in the heartstring media. It just isn't the basis for a lasting economic plan. In the same vain the GOP is treated as making the poor poorer so that the rich can be richer. Which of course is not their primary goal. They may very well want to make the rich richer, but economies are not zero sum, making one person richer does not mean that another person by definition is poorer. Insert trickle down jokes here.

People become poorer for many many reasons. Government wealth redistribution makes a person poorer. Bad financial decisions make people poorer. Laziness does in fact make a person poorer, generally speaking. Lack of education can lead to a poorer life. I would say over education can also lead to a poorer life. Someone who pays for an art history degree, but has the skills of a McD's worker, now not only has a lower paying job but more bills then that person really needed to take on.

Back to the question, what has the GOP done for the poor, probably nothing, but what have the Dems done except increase the welfare state. Making people look more to the govt then to themselves will be an unhealthy thing for this country. But maybe not, maybe having more and more people thinking that government should provide cradle to grave protection will suddenly become the perfect solution.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:39 PM   #25
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One other part is that real financial riches come in three main ways: inheritance, hard work combined with sound financial discipline, or luck; and one could argue inheritance is a sub-category of luck. A lot of people work hard, but not all use sound financial discipline (i would include myself in this category.) Thus most people fail to achieve that goal of financial security, but rather than blame themselves, we all want to put the blame back on others, or look for the government to take care of us.
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It will be interesting to see how this plays out:

Beck-Palin Rally in Washington Drawing Supporters of `Babies, Guns, Jesus' - Bloomberg
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One other part is that real financial riches come in three main ways: inheritance, hard work combined with sound financial discipline, or luck; and one could argue inheritance is a sub-category of luck. A lot of people work hard, but not all use sound financial discipline (i would include myself in this category.) Thus most people fail to achieve that goal of financial security, but rather than blame themselves, we all want to put the blame back on others, or look for the government to take care of us.
One word: Opportunity
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I hear he's going to be two steps below where MLK stood so as to not dishonor him. I'm interested in see how big the crow will be, he's got big shoes and space to fill.

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I hear he's going to be a two steps below where MLK stood so as to not dishonor him. I'm interested in see how big the crow will be, he's got big shoes and space to fill.
I heard over 300K expected to attend.

I thought this was pretty cool about MLK's niece:

Glenn Beck 8/28 rally: It's a matter of honor - CSMonitor.com
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One word: Opportunity
Ok, but that is a part of luck. How many people have had golden opportunities and blown it or missed it. Opportunity does not, in and of itself, guarantee real financial riches. In fact many a lottery winner have had a golden opportunity, only to see that frittered away due to lack of work ethic and financial discipline. How many athletes have been given the opportunity to escape to a new life, only to be dragged back down by either lack of work ethic or by poor money management. I make a decent pay but McD's and fast food living keeps me from realizing a life of "real financial riches". My kids worked over the summer and I tried to instill in them that which I know but do not have, and yet when they got that money for a new video game their first instinct was to go get it.

So Opportunity(luck) - financial discipline =(still) lack of long term wealth.
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