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Old 09-03-2010, 01:05 PM   #136
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If the framers founded this nation upon "Judeo-Christian values" as many contend, why does the very first amendment to the Constitution guarantee freedom of religion, when the first of the most basic laws of the Hebrew God command that "[he] is the lord thy god, and [we] shall have no other gods before him" ??

So it would appear that the first amendment is be in direct conflict with the first commandment. Not what you'd expect from the men who created this nation upon Judeo-Christian values.
I think it is quite clear they believed in God and believed that our rights were afforded to us by a God. It is also quite clear they didn't attempt to define what or who that God was. Trying to establish a form of gov't based on a specific religion isn't the same as establishing a form of gov't based on one's values, which are in alignment in a general sense with a religion. They believed in God. They believed we exist because of God. They believed we had rights given us by God. They believed it wasn't their right to define that God for us and/or even make you believe in the same thing.
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:10 PM   #137
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If the framers founded this nation upon "Judeo-Christian values" as many contend, why does the very first amendment to the Constitution guarantee freedom of religion, when the first of the most basic laws of the Hebrew God command that "[he] is the lord thy god, and [we] shall have no other gods before him" ??

So it would appear that the first amendment is be in direct conflict with the first commandment. Not what you'd expect from the men who created this nation upon Judeo-Christian values.
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As shown in my post above, the Framers firmly believed in the separation of church and state. To me, this is absolutely in line with the Judeo Christian tradition. As I stated earlier, it is my belief that the God revealed in the Talmud and Bible is a God who asks us to freely choose him. Separation of church and state not only permits this but is conducive to such a choice. Despite the attempts of many, belief cannot be mandated, legislated or coerced. For it to be real, it must be chosen. The Founders recognized this and, accordingly, protected that choice through the First Amendment.

Nothing in the First Amendment places anyone or any God above any other. Instead, the Amendment guarantees that each of us is allowed to recognize (or deny) that "[he] is the lord thy god, and [to] have no other gods before him" .
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This thread is amazing.

Remember the United States is never going to be a Christian Nation, but rather a nation made up of many Christians.

The former would be very very bad, but the later is just what we have always been.
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Wait, a better distraction!! [Might be NSFW]

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I was gonna throw out the Truth or dare picture(in Super happy fun thread now) here, but I kinda wanted to keep it civil given the discussion. I can see that was a silly thought.
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Post Now - Stewart, Colbert to host rallies on Mall

Now thats a rally Im gonna try to make. Should be funny and not political, exactly like Becks.
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Post Now - Stewart, Colbert to host rallies on Mall

Now thats a rally Im gonna try to make. Should be funny and not political, exactly like Becks.
Yep, funny but without the side helping of crazy
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Old 12-12-2010, 04:55 PM   #144
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Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

Hilariously sad...but some people actually believe this lol
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:06 PM   #145
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Thats considered breaking news for CNN? No wonder their rating has dropped so much over the years. He said it as his opinion and they cut the clip so short its not put into any kind context so who knows what else he talked about.
Come on now thats funny...if your muslim your proably be pretty offended. His opinion then is way off, but the thing is, his presentation of information comes across as if it is facts. He believes everything he says and thens trys to support it...I like what the guy says, the reason more people are not talking about it, is its not true. lol
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:23 PM   #146
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Post Now - Stewart, Colbert to host rallies on Mall

Now thats a rally Im gonna try to make. Should be funny and not political, exactly like Becks.
So funny looking back on this thread. Later on I wrote this whole thing to a group of friends, etc. as to why I wasn't going to the Stewart Rally and a few of them kind of blasted me and what not. It's funny how both of the rallies were so hyped and now the country has moved on to real issues that affect their everyday lives.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:53 PM   #147
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Im not sure if hes taken out of context or not, but he clearly means 10% of Muslims are extremist and/or support terrorist acts not that 10% of Muslims have literally committed terrorist acts, the guy even concedes that’s this is what Glenn means but goes on to scold him. And he even says that the use of terrorism in that sense is in the dictionary.
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Old 12-13-2010, 02:08 PM   #148
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I guess at the core my beef with both rallies was that they split people into different camps, which tends to breed cultish like behaviour. If conservatives just go on being conservative after a Beck rally and liberals continue to subscribe to the same liberal ideology lock and step following the Stewart rally, then what was actually accomplished? I don't need to march down to the National Mall to hear that Obama is a socialist or that all Republicans don't care about working class Americans, because I don't believe either is true. We're spoon fed this garbage from the time we're able to pick up a newspaper, or nowadays read a blog.

I'm convinced that most Americans are closer on many of the issues than they realize. They don't live their daily lives on some left or right spectrum, but rather a continuum. As a liberal, I can talk to any one of my conservative friends about searching for a job, how to prepare my taxes, planning for a wedding, or finding a good deal on a flat screen TV. You know, everyday normal shit. We all start from a similiar place in life. One day we're fresh out of school, later, if we're lucky we get married, then we look up and we're sending our kid(s) to college. I think that's kinda it in a nutshell. There will always be differences of opinion on the right approach to govern our nation, that's why we have two parties. But when did it become so god darned evil to disagree with one another? The age of cult personalities and divisive politics, I feel, is taking it's toll on our country and I refuse to willingly participate.

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He clearly says he thinks its closer to 10% and he also never used the word muslim and said Islamic terrorist. Not sure if there is a difference but CNN changed what he said from Islamic to Muslim. Whats up with that?
FD, buddy, why arent more people talking about it?
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Old 12-13-2010, 02:52 PM   #150
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Someone has to be the bad guy, might as well be the Moslims. One percent of the American population is Moslims which implies that 99.9% Americans are good guys.
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