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Old 09-02-2010, 03:07 PM   #91
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You don't accept it?

When you burn a hole in the atmosphere which is something that has never happened before you won't get both extremes. The cycle will be broken.

There will only be one extreme.
And you have the atmospheric data from the 1700 & 1800's to prove this? Or better yet, from the 1000's and 1200's (during the last warming trend)? There are many studies demonstrating that ozone depletion may have occurred in the past due to other factors.

In fairness, human created CFC's likely caused the current Antarctic Ozone depletion but, under the 1987 Montreal Protocols, the CFC's have been essentially eliminated as of 1996 and the Antarctic ozone depletion has begun a recovery. It will take time (50-100 years) and cooperation but the ozone layer is expected to make a complete recovery - yay!!. Even as it recovers, however, the studied climate change data seems to indicate a general wider cooling/warming trend (i.e. - hotter than normal summers, cooler than normal winters). Thus, the former clarion call for humanity's affect on the global climate change ("We burned a hole in the atmosphere!!") is creating conflicting data.

Again, there are soooo many factors that affect the climate to assert humanity as the causation of global climate change is, to my mind, an incredible act of hubris.
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Old 09-02-2010, 03:09 PM   #92
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Funny, much like Beck himself this thread is all over the place and not making much sense.
You speaketh the truthiest.

What sayeth the mob to this??
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Old 09-02-2010, 03:12 PM   #93
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Funny, much like Beck himself this thread is all over the place and not making much sense.
LOL. I can sit and watch Hannity, O'Reilly, the Sunday AM shows, but I can never watch Beck for more than a couple of minutes before clicking out.
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Old 09-02-2010, 03:22 PM   #94
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Beck is what he is. Sounds to me like the rally was positive event for those that participated.

The problem with the bolded statement is that the Founding Fathers were "crazy" and they believed (as do over 90% of Americans) that the basis for our unalienable rights is from God, not other men or "government". Very important distinction.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

Most Americans Believe in Higher Power, Poll Finds - washingtonpost.com=

I know the problem the non-religious have with those who are religious is when they carry their desire to "save" everyone to extremes and try to force their beliefs on others. I understand and completely agree with the non-religious on that. However, those who believe (myself included) have a problem with being characterized as believing in "fairy tales" or just flat out being "crazy". The religion issue is always a very touchy subject for most and it is often brought to extremes by those on the fringes.
Excellent post.

Quite frankly, I am tired of hearing my beliefs being referred to as fairy tales by those who chose to believe differently.

BB, where do your "inalienable rights" come from? If you do not believe in the existence of a being outside creation, aren't they just conveyed to you by other humans? If so conveyed, isn't it equally true that they can be legitimately denied by the same?
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You speaketh the truthiest.

What sayeth the mob to this??
I cannot decide............
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Excellent post.

Quite frankly, I am tired of hearing my beliefs being referred to as fairy tales by those who chose to believe differently.

BB, where do your "inalienable rights" come from? If you do not believe in the existence of a being outside creation, aren't they just conveyed to you by other humans? If so conveyed, isn't it equally true that they can be denied by the same?
Here's something I've always brought up when going down this path with those that don't believe.

There are two sides to the argument either God exists, or does not exist.

First, let's say non-believers are right and He doesn't exist. In that scenario, I still believe He exists, so I live my life in accordance with Christian principles. I raise a family and they do the same. We all obey the government's laws and are generally good (not perfect, but try to be good). I get old, sick, and die still believing in God. He doesn't exist so there's no heaven, hell, etc. I was just a mass of cells with electric pulses / chemical reactions going on inside, I never know if I was right or wrong, and I'm gone. No harm, no foul. I generally left my circle of influence a little bit better than it would've been had I not existed.

But.....what if I'm right, God does exist, and non-believers have flat-out rejected Him. Not a real good postion for them to be in.
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But.....what if I'm right, God does exist, and non-believers have flat-out rejected Him. Not a real good postion for them to be in.
What if God exists and could care less if people acknowledge him according to one dogma or the other or if they even believe in him at all?

What if you live an honest life and contribute to your family and community and that's really all it takes to be in God's good graces?
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What if God exists and could care less if people acknowledge him according to one dogma or the other or if they even believe in him at all?
maybe I should've rephrased God to "what Judeo-Christian's believe as God".

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What if you live an honest life and contribute to your family and community and that's really all it takes to be in God's good graces?
Then that's fantastic. Look, I'm not trying to push my beliefs on anyone. I was responding to JoeR, who I know holds a similiar belief system as I do. I know there are many that believe different things and I'm not an evangelical who's out to "save" everyone. But at the same time, I'm going to make a statement when others make the claim that my whole belief system is based on fairy tales.
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Here's something I've always brought up when going down this path with those that don't believe.

There are two sides to the argument either God exists, or does not exist.

First, let's say non-believers are right and He doesn't exist. In that scenario, I still believe He exists, so I live my life in accordance with Christian principles. I raise a family and they do the same. We all obey the government's laws and are generally good (not perfect, but try to be good). I get old, sick, and die still believing in God. He doesn't exist so there's no heaven, hell, etc. I was just a mass of cells with electric pulses / chemical reactions going on inside, I never know if I was right or wrong, and I'm gone. No harm, no foul. I generally left my circle of influence a little bit better than it would've been had I not existed.

But.....what if I'm right, God does exist, and non-believers have flat-out rejected Him. Not a real good postion for them to be in.

That sounds like how my dad thinks. He has stated that he goes to church for “insurance” purposes. I dont know if i think thats a healthy way to be religious.

I watch South Park every now and then, and I remember watching a episode about Mormons. It basically poked fun at a lot of the ridiculous beliefs that Mormons have, but it also showed how happy the Mormon family was and how they were great people and had great values. So that’s the way I look at it. Sure belive what you want, but at the end of the day does it make you a better person. If you’re a “non-believer” that cant help yourself when it come it comes to attacking other people’s beliefs – does that make you a better person. If you’re run by divine providence and think your job is to save other people to the point that you offend them – does that make you a better person. As much as I hate it (because the type of people I see in the cars) I really like the idea behind the coexist bumper sticker.
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What if God exists and could care less if people acknowledge him according to one dogma or the other or if they even believe in him at all?

What if you live an honest life and contribute to your family and community and that's really all it takes to be in God's good graces?
Exactly how I feel.

Somehow I doubt God, if he exists, is so preoccupied with whether or not we believe in his existence. Shouldn't a God be above such pettiness?
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Under any of these scenarios at the end of the day or in this case, end of the lifetime, your choices may be yours to reap. You may or may not be judged and rewarded or punished depending on the existence of the Judeo-Christian prototypical Creator. Good luck.........
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Existence of God - check
Mosque at Ground Zero (well 2 blocks away) -- check
Left bashing right - check
Right being offended by left bashing right - check
Unicorns -- check
Taxes - ??
Universal Healthcare -- ??

My soon to be sister in law got me one of these cards a few weeks ago. Its pretty sweet.

https://www.atr.org/card.html

EDIT: Wow i didnt realize she donated money to get this..... She voted for Obama too, but now absolutely despises him.
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Left bashing right - check
Right being offended by left bashing right - check
Unicorns -- check
Taxes - ??
Universal Healthcare -- ??
So glad we hit on unicorns, Beck would be proud.

But is this really a case of left vs. right? Left doesn't = non-believer anymore than right = believer.
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