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Old 09-08-2010, 07:09 PM   #61
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You will see Muslims burn the American flag in displeasure but you will never ever see them burn the Bible.
Instead they just cheered when the twin towers fell. They won't burn the bible because the bible is not their enemy / infidels.
I personally think burning the books are dumb. Think about it, what is the highest sold book of all time...the bible. If you burn say 100,000 of them, guess what, someone will make more. Same can be said for the Koran. Burn them, and they will make more. So there is no real point. How about redirect that anger and decide to do something about the mosque at ground zero. All they have to do is declare it a national monument, or somewhere of historical significance, and poof, they can't build there. (they CAN do this since landing gear from the plane landed on that spot.)
That being said...while I think burning the books are dumb, I say have at it. If that's what they want to do, so be it. Of course, I do believe for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...so I wouldn't want to be those people. At least someone is standing up and trying to do SOMETHING about the fact that America keeps taking it in the ass from radical islamic culture. Just wish they could pick a better way.
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Instead they just cheered when the twin towers fell. They won't burn the bible because the bible is not their enemy / infidels.
I personally think burning the books are dumb. Think about it, what is the highest sold book of all time...the bible. If you burn say 100,000 of them, guess what, someone will make more. Same can be said for the Koran. Burn them, and they will make more. So there is no real point. How about redirect that anger and decide to do something about the mosque at ground zero. All they have to do is declare it a national monument, or somewhere of historical significance, and poof, they can't build there. (they CAN do this since landing gear from the plane landed on that spot.)
That being said...while I think burning the books are dumb, I say have at it. If that's what they want to do, so be it. Of course, I do believe for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...so I wouldn't want to be those people. At least someone is standing up and trying to do SOMETHING about the fact that America keeps taking it in the ass from radical islamic culture. Just wish they could pick a better way.

Nah, they believe it is a sacred yet outdated text that warrants respect.

You've been listening to Newt Gingrich haven't you? Good luck making it a National Battlefield Memorial with so many people with vested interest in the land. Better have some serious cash if you want that land. I love it when small government proponents become big government advocates.
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Nah, they believe it is a sacred yet outdated text that warrants respect.

You've been listening to Newt Gingrich haven't you? Good luck making it a National Battlefield Memorial with so many people with vested interest in the land. Better have some serious cash if you want that land. I love it when small government proponents become big government advocates.
No I haven't. Just pointing out their anger could be put to better use.
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Yes, men who think they're heaven bound if they blow themselves up in the name of Islam are the most dangerous. The question is whether there is anything you can do to deter such thought without military action?


Quantify significant percentage of Muslims and many mainline Christians.

You will see Muslims burn the American flag in displeasure but you will never ever see them burn the Bible.
Mainline Christians - based on numbers of overall Christians vs. those who commit the type of acts mentioned and giving an overly high estimate for those who support those acts. 90% + of Mainline Christians do not support the acts mentioned.

Fundamentalist Muslims - taking into account opinion polls outside the U.S. of percentages that believe killing Americans is justified, elections in Muslim countries where there is a fundamentalist vs. moderate Muslim candidate an underestimate would be 35-40%. Not saying this is the percentage that would become jihadists, saying this is the percentage that hold the belief system, agree with sharia law, etc.

Does burning buildings and Christian churches with Bibles inside count? How about just murdering Christians?

INDONESIA West Java, thousands of Islamic extremists attack a Christian center - Asia News

The American Spectator : Thrown to the Lions

The wave of anti-Christian violence | Simon Tisdall | Comment is free | The Guardian

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Mainline Christians - based on numbers of overall Christians vs. those who commit the type of acts mentioned and giving an overly high estimate for those who support those acts. 90% + of Mainline Christians do not support the acts mentioned.

Fundamentalist Muslims - taking into account opinion polls outside the U.S. of percentages that believe killing Americans is justified, elections in Muslim countries where there is a fundamentalist vs. moderate Muslim candidate an underestimate would be 35-40%. Not saying this is the percentage that would become jihadists, saying this is the percentage that hold the belief system, agree with sharia law, etc.

Does burning buildings and Christian churches with Bibles inside count? How about just murdering Christians?

INDONESIA West Java, thousands of Islamic extremists attack a Christian center - Asia News

The American Spectator : Thrown to the Lions

The wave of anti-Christian violence | Simon Tisdall | Comment is free | The Guardian

YouTube - Pakistan: blasphemy laws spur violence against Christians
I get the mistreatment of christians but what I fail to understand is what you base 35 to 40 percent figure on. I would be shocked if you can find a poll that supports your claim that that many support the killing of americans.
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There you have it! Fundamentalist nutjob muslims win by a landslide.
This may cast some doubt on the Olive branch project. On the bright side only half will draw and fire. The other half might take the Olive Branch.....not a problem
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There you have it! Fundamentalist nutjob muslims win by a landslide.
This may cast some doubt on the Olive branch project. On the bright side only half will draw and fire. The other half might take the Olive Branch.....not a problem
You wanna put operation "An Eye For An Eye" into effect?

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You wanna to put operation "An Eye For An Eye" into effect?
I......wanna do what makes sense. If the Olive branch will work, I'm on it.
If it will not we need to use the tools at our disposal as is necessary. If you look to some of our brothers and sisters in Europe, they are having some fun with the muslim communities. I would hate to have that dilemma....plague the USA.
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This needs derailed.

Can we all now agree that the best solution for all involved is to remove all religion? No more muslims, christians, hindu, jews, you name it, no mas. We can gather all of the holy books together and have a big pig roast (the now ex-muslims would love this, as they would get the chance to see that pork is delicious). We'd certainly have less to bitch at each other about. Then we could divide society down important lines, like Redskins fans vs. Cowboys fans. And Eagles fans, or as they would be known in this future utopian society, the homeless.
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I get the mistreatment of christians but what I fail to understand is what you base 35 to 40 percent figure on. I would be shocked if you can find a poll that supports your claim that that many support the killing of americans.
Keep in mind I said the 35-40% was NOT the percentage that would actually become jihadists, but that support Fundamentalist Islam (sharia, etc).

This Pew poll towards the bottom has a section with % that support or justify suicide bombing.

Obama More Popular Abroad than at Home, Global Image of U.S. Continues to Benefit - Pew Research Center

This report from U of MD (Testudo Rules) is pretty interesting in the support for violent acts against civilians is fairly low (however estimating 5% of 1.2B Muslims worldwide is 60M, that's a large amount of potential jihadists), but what is concerning is the percentage that would impose strict sharia law. The Brookings Institute also had a hand in this, so it's not from Fox or Heritage

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This needs derailed.

Can we all now agree that the best solution for all involved is to remove all religion? No more muslims, christians, hindu, jews, you name it, no mas. We can gather all of the holy books together and have a big pig roast (the now ex-muslims would love this, as they would get the chance to see that pork is delicious). We'd certainly have less to bitch at each other about. Then we could divide society down important lines, like Redskins fans vs. Cowboys fans. And Eagles fans, or as they would be known in this future utopian society, the homeless.
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If we did that then we would look like India's caste system with the Cowpuke fans on the bottom of the totem pole, slightly below the Iggles fans.
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Well, I am not generally an advocate of such things but if we did, would muslims then conclude that it was just a small violent faction of Americans responsible and not the majority who are peace loving?
Who gives a shit? Do we lower our standards because "that's what them damn muslims do..?" Of course not. I don't particularly love any culture that basis itself upon religion, especially when said religion involves placing wholly illogical restrictions and consequences on my favorite 50% of the population, but- This whole "I don't like you so I'll burn something you feel is important" thing is juvenile at best. What adult that you know converses in such a manner? Of course, the undeveloped mind does tend to flock to this sort of thing. It's not like this is a group of Rhodes scholars we are talking about.
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BTW.......it's Quran
not Koran as in Korea
It has been transliterated in several different forms, your example being one of them. I believe that the most "accepted" as far as beliefs/accuracy goes is "Qur'an" but I could be mistaken.

lol @ Koran as in Korea.. where were you going with that?
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BTW...Quran is one of the currently accepted spellings of the Koran....allegedly.
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