Teresa Lewis

Hog1 · 09-24-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't know if I agree with that. I think the vast majority of people don't do unlawful stuff because we know it's wrong -- you know, the Golden Rule. I wouldn't steal from someone not because I might get locked up, but because I wouldn't want anyone stealing from me.

I guess it all depends upon your outlook of human nature. I think most people are generally good.

I should have been more specific. Most of society would, as you say tow the line because that is what "they should do". I really refer to those who are so inclined to livin' on the edge and the only reason they don't go all in is fear of doin' time or worse.
I think it is demonstrated on the occasions that we have rioting in the states in this place or that. It is generally accompanied by looting as the chance of getting caught and punished greatly reduced.

firstdown · 09-24-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

The death penalty is not a good deterrent...the numbers just don't support any claim that it is. If you want to deter people from committing heinous crimes combat poverty and invest more in education.

Some people just deserve to be murked...we just need to admit that to ourselves so we can stop pretending the death penalty is about justice and as means to deter others...it's pure unadulterated eye-poking revenge.

I don't think we use the death penalty enough to know if its a deterrent. I mean whats the chance of someone getting executed?

FRPLG · 09-24-2010, 04:04 PM

I think the history of the world is scattered with loads of evidence that humans in general do anything and everything up to and including what they are ALLOWED to do. I find the notion that society in general is not deterred by lawful punishment to be silly. Of course it does. Humans are animals. We all fight for self survival..self interest. Every single thing we do is in our own self-interest. Without clear lines defined by laws and enforced through deterrents people in general would abuse the rights of others. Maybe A person could act with others in mind but give me a hundred people and most of them would go crazy.

Note: this is not a pontification on the deterrence offered by the death penalty...I generally agree it doesn't deter anything at all. The rate of deterrence is probably very variable and defined by the nature of the potential crime and the nature of the potential punishment. I bet we'd have a lot less people speeding if we killed them for it.

FRPLG · 09-24-2010, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I don't think we use the death penalty enough to know if its a deterrent. I mean whats the chance of someone getting executed?

Wow...your solution to the issue is to kill more people..so we can see if it works.

We use capital punishment in only the rarest of cases where there are aggravating circumstances. In general these crimes are either profound crimes of emotion or mental instability. It's hard to argue that people with impaired thinking or emotions can act with any level of reason. Numerous studies have shown this.

firstdown · 09-24-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think the history of the world is scattered with loads of evidence that humans in general do anything and everything up to and including what they are ALLOWED to do. I find the notion that society in general is not deterred by lawful punishment to be silly. Of course it does. Humans are animals. We all fight for self survival..self interest. Every single thing we do is in our own self-interest. Without clear lines defined by laws and enforced through deterrents people in general would abuse the rights of others. Maybe A person could act with others in mind but give me a hundred people and most of them would go crazy.

Note: this is not a pontification on the deterrence offered by the death penalty...I generally agree it doesn't deter anything at all. The rate of deterrence is probably very variable and defined by the nature of the potential crime and the nature of the potential punishment. I bet we'd have a lot less people speeding if we killed them for it.

I do alot of stuff that has nothing to do with my self interest. I think kids learning right from wrong from their parent is a bigger deterrent then any laws.

BleedBurgundy · 09-24-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't know if I agree with that. I think the vast majority of people don't do unlawful stuff because we know it's wrong -- you know, the Golden Rule. I wouldn't steal from someone not because I might get locked up, but because I wouldn't want anyone stealing from me.

I guess it all depends upon your outlook of human nature. I think most people are generally good.

Speak for yourself, the second the law goes away, i'm going on a mother****ing rampage!
:FIREdevil

j/k

FRPLG · 09-24-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I do alot of stuff that has nothing to do with my self interest. I think kids learning right from wrong from their parent is a bigger deterrent then any laws.

You do nothing that doesn't bring you some form of self-satisfaction on some level. Not one single thing.

saden1 · 09-24-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Wow...your solution to the issue is to kill more people..so we can see if it works.

We use capital punishment in only the rarest of cases where there are aggravating circumstances. In general these crimes are either profound crimes of emotion or mental instability. It's hard to argue that people with impaired thinking or emotions can act with any level of reason. Numerous studies have shown this.

He's advocating we run this hip like the Saudis.

Hog1 · 09-24-2010, 08:22 PM

The Peace loving muslims???

DynamiteRave · 09-24-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't know if I agree with that. I think the vast majority of people don't do unlawful stuff because we know it's wrong -- you know, the Golden Rule. I wouldn't steal from someone not because I might get locked up, but because I wouldn't want anyone stealing from me.

I guess it all depends upon your outlook of human nature. I think most people are generally good.

Totally opposite of that, I'm scared of the police and I'm a black female. Punishment definitely is the deterrent for me.

Reminds me of the Dave Chappelle stand up special, where he says, if a black guy tries to do something wrong an old black dude will pop out and say, "N*gga don't do that, that's 5 to 10. We know the laws and the penalties."

firstdown · 09-25-2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Totally opposite of that, I'm scared of the police and I'm a black female. Punishment definitely is the deterrent for me.

Reminds me of the Dave Chappelle stand up special, where he says, if a black guy tries to do something wrong an old black dude will pop out and say, "N*gga don't do that, that's 5 to 10. We know the laws and the penalties."

Are you scred of the police because of who they are or because your parent raised you to do the right thing and you just associate cops with getting in trouble? I think most people would do the correct thing even without cops. They might break little laws like speeding but not the crimes against other people.

Beemnseven · 09-25-2010, 12:53 PM

She might be scared because of stories like this, this, or maybe this.

saden1 · 09-25-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

The Peace loving muslims???

No, the strict ten commandments adhering Saudis...you know, where everything is punishable by death! You don't honor your mother and father? Death. You cheated on your your wife, I prescribe death! You're gay? No progress or progressives here...death! You get the death penalty, you get the death penalty, everyone gets the penalty!

JoeRedskin · 09-25-2010, 02:21 PM

^^ Unlike the English Inquisition: "So, what will it be .... Cake or Death!?"

saden1 · 09-25-2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

^^ Unlike the English Inquisition: "So, what will it be .... Cake or Death!?"

LOL...Will I survive eating the cake?

09-24-2010, 04:04 PM	#18
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,232	Re: Teresa Lewis I think the history of the world is scattered with loads of evidence that humans in general do anything and everything up to and including what they are ALLOWED to do. I find the notion that society in general is not deterred by lawful punishment to be silly. Of course it does. Humans are animals. We all fight for self survival..self interest. Every single thing we do is in our own self-interest. Without clear lines defined by laws and enforced through deterrents people in general would abuse the rights of others. Maybe A person could act with others in mind but give me a hundred people and most of them would go crazy. Note: this is not a pontification on the deterrence offered by the death penalty...I generally agree it doesn't deter anything at all. The rate of deterrence is probably very variable and defined by the nature of the potential crime and the nature of the potential punishment. I bet we'd have a lot less people speeding if we killed them for it.

09-24-2010, 08:22 PM	#24
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,377	Re: Teresa Lewis The Peace loving muslims??? __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

09-25-2010, 12:53 PM	#27
Beemnseven Fighting off The Crazies Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 39 Posts: 5,280	Re: Teresa Lewis She might be scared because of stories like this, this, or maybe this.

09-25-2010, 02:21 PM	#29
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,166	Re: Teresa Lewis ^^ Unlike the English Inquisition: "So, what will it be .... Cake or Death!?" __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

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