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Old 10-12-2010, 12:42 PM   #31
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I don't watch fox news or listen to talk radio. I get my news from T shirts. So what part of that is full of crap.


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You really are full the crap Fox News and Talk Radio feeds you. We are coming for your husbands and wives next.
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Old 10-12-2010, 04:32 PM   #33
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So you think congress has the same health plan we have or others that work for the government? I'm sure you know his kids went to private school in Chicago and now in DC while he repeals the vouchers for the poor children in the DC area? Don't need FOX for that.
As of now Federal employees go through an insurance company just like you. With the new bill they will have the option to participate in the Health insurance Exchange just like you. If you want to force them to use the Health insurance Exchange you should also be forced to use the Health insurance Exchange as well.


His kids go to private school because he is wealthy. If you have kids you are getting tax break for each kid from the feds. If you're middle class and have two kids you hardly pay any taxes in this country and on top of that you want the feds to give you a voucher to send them to a private school? Maybe instead of sending you a voucher we should invest in and improve our public schools? What Obama wants to do is even better than school vouchers. He should have our full support. There has been no president better for education since Lyndon Johnson.
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Sorry but I said congress and no they don't go through the same path as we do to get their ins. nor will they at anytime. You act like the tax credit for kids is a ton when it works out to be less then $1500. That school example is just great if we are willing to spend $20,000 to $22,000 per student. I sent my daughter to private school for less then that.
As usual you have no idea what you're talking about.

They were giving those DC kids $7.5K per student for vouchers. These charter schools Obama wants to support cost about $16K per student in NYC while regular public schools in NYC cost about $14,452. Bottom line is he wants to spend more of your money on kids to get them better quality education than the ones that can be had with a voucher.

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There has been no president better for education since Lyndon Johnson.

I'm guessing this is your opinion. See spending does not equal better.
It's not an opinion, it is a fact. I warn you though, they are not Republican facts as they are grounded in reality.
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Maybe instead of sending you a voucher we should invest in and improve our public schools? What Obama wants to do is even better than school vouchers. He should have our full support. There has been no president better for education since Lyndon Johnson.
The U.S. average spending per student in public schools is enough to send them to most private high schools. In private high schools there are far higher percentages of kids qualifying for four year schools upon graduation. In elementary and middle schools the academic performance of the kids is generally a year or so more advanced than in public school. The public schools are failing our kids miserably. The only people that benefit from more money being pumped into the public school systems are the teachers' unions and administrators, not kids. And we have a good public school system in Virginia Beach.

As far as your Obama example, it would be more cost effective to fully fund tuition for these kids in private schools than what's going on. As usual, government is inefficient and wasteful.
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The U.S. average spending per student in public schools is enough to send them to most private high schools. In private high schools there are far higher percentages of kids qualifying for four year schools upon graduation. In elementary and middle schools the academic performance of the kids is generally a year or so more advanced than in public school. The public schools are failing our kids miserably. The only people that benefit from more money being pumped into the public school systems are the teachers' unions and administrators, not kids. And we have a good public school system in Virginia Beach.

As far as your Obama example, it would be more cost effective to fully fund tuition for these kids in private schools than what's going on. As usual, government is inefficient and wasteful.
You think we have enough private schools for all the parents to send their kids to? The biggest problem with the Harlem and D.C. school is that every parent wants to send their kids to one of these schools but there are limited slots.
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It's not an opinion, it is a fact. I warn you though, they are not Republican facts as they are grounded in reality.
Funny how all your "facts" come from sites with a liberal bias.

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Funny how all your "facts" come from sites with a liberal bias.

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What's funny is that you link to American Specter to illuminate their bias. I warned you they are not Republican facts but grounded in reality. You can click on the promises and do your own god damn research. Good luck not that you need it.
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You think we have enough private schools for all the parents to send their kids to? The biggest problem with the Harlem and D.C. school is that every parent wants to send their kids to one of these schools but there are limited slots.
If there's a market and profit to be made, you can be sure the private sector or religious based private schools would fill the void. Of course the Fed or state wouldn't want to fund sending kids to religious based schools (even if it was the parent's choice), even if the education for the child was far superior and the cost to the taxpayer much less.
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BTW, not all private schools are the same. Some of them are down right stinky dog poop...especially the religious ones that pervert science. If you check the statistics you will find that non-sectarians private schools are way better in terms of performance and cost 2X+ as much.

Obama and co believe science is the way of the future...I would hope they don't fund religious schools. He is free to send his kids there on his own dime though.
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What's funny is that you link to American Specter to illuminate their bias. I warned you they are not Republican facts but grounded in reality. You can click on the promises and do your own god damn research. Good luck not that you need it.
You're an angry guy of late.....that Nov. 2nd date and my 1994 = 2010 prediction from quite some time back getting your blood pressure up?
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You're an angry guy of late.....that Nov. 2nd date and my 1994 = 2010 prediction from quite some time back getting your blood pressure up?
I was channellings my inner William F. Buckley, Jr. I only worry about what I can control.
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BTW, not all private schools are the same. Some of them are down right stinky dog poop...especially the religious ones that pervert science.
Agree. But if the parent approves shouldn't that be their choice? And the majority of religious based private schools are mainstream and don't teach the wacky stuff and literal bible interpretation (the creationism is absolute, evolution is the devil type stuff).

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If you check the statistics you will find that non-sectarians private schools are way better in terms of performance and cost 2X+ as much.
The performance of Catholic schools is up there with the non-sects and is still less than what the average per student costs are in most states. Our local Catholic HS is approx. $ 10,600 / yr. and 85% move on to attend 4 year schools, the remaining 15% attend JCs.

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Obama and co believe science is the way of the future...I would hope they don't fund religious schools. He is free to send his kids there on his own dime though.
Of course science is the future, and most mainstream religious people agree science and faith can/do go hand-in-hand.
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I was channellings my inner William F. Buckley, Jr. I only worry about what I can control.
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Agree. But if the parent approves shouldn't that be their choice? And the majority of religious based private schools are mainstream and don't teach the wacky stuff and literal bible interpretation (the creationism is absolute, evolution is the devil type stuff).

The performance of Catholic schools is up there with the non-sects and is still less than what the average per student costs are in most states. Our local Catholic HS is approx. $ 10,600 / yr. and 85% move on to attend 4 year schools, the remaining 15% attend JCs.

Of course science is the future, and most mainstream religious people agree science and faith can/do go hand-in-hand.
I'm all for parental choice...I just don't want to hand people checks without pre-conditions (generally a philosophy republicans have always been behind).

I don't think religious schools do as good of a job teaching science. They confuse kids and place doubts in their minds regarding science...I know this first hand. At the end of the day though it's the parents job to teach their kids and kids what the schools won't teach them.

I think the other problem is that once you take funds away from the public schools while you don't have an environment with more quality private schools you run the risk of making the public schools worse due to lack of funding. And in the long term the quality and standards of private schools education will likely get lower to accommodate more business. A better solution is to kill failing schools and reinvent them in a manner similar to Harlem Children's Zone. I think it is more cost effective.
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