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Old 11-03-2010, 12:27 PM   #76
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Hold your horses until 2012...he wasn't running in this election.
So hilarious.


So 2006's election WAS a referendum against President Bush, but the midterm election for President Messiah isn't? :cheeky-sm

Midterm elections are ALWAYS about the President.


This election was COMPLETELY about President Obama and his agenda. It's been rejected. Not just turned down...it's been balled up, lit on fire and flushed down the toilet.
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:29 PM   #77
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So hilarious.


So 2006's election WAS a referendum against President Bush, but the midterm election for President Messiah isn't? :cheeky-sm

Midterm elections are ALWAYS about the President.


This election was COMPLETELY about President Obama and his agenda. It's been rejected. Not just turned down...it's been balled up, lit on fire and flushed down the toilet.
Good, he should lose in 2012 then and you will get to dance on the streets.
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:30 PM   #78
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Prop 19 failed because the young voters didn't show up. Oh well, the issue isn't going away.
Yet the whackjobs in CA re-elected Barbara Boxer and JERRY BROWN. Those are the decisions of people on drugs...yet they couldn't legalize their drugs on the same ballot.


California is one seriously screwed-up place.
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:31 PM   #79
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Good, he should lose in 2012 then and you will get to dance on the streets.
He will.


In fact, Hillary could pose a challenge to him. He's THAT bad of a President that he might not even win his party's nomination. Sitting Presidents are not normally challenged, but this President is uniquely bad at his job.

By the way, the Senate will swing in 2012 also. Last night was only the beginning.
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LOL, how is it different than how I normally am?
Haha. It's all good man. I'm just having a little fun today. In all honesty I know you'd school me in a political debate- just reading your posts show your intelligence on such matters, even if I disagree with your stances. I simply wanted to throw out a few jabs in light of these mid-term results.
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:32 PM   #81
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Hold your horses until 2012...he wasn't running in this election.
I'd say he was running in this race in one form or the other. Now he is just running to India to the tune of 200 million per day on the tax payers. What is getting left out is the governors that the Rep. picked up because redistricting is coming up soon. I don't like how the do redistricting but its what the dems wanted so its their game the gonvernors will be playing.
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:34 PM   #82
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Haha. It's all good man. I'm just having a little fun today. In all honesty I know you'd school me in a political debate- just reading your posts show your intelligence on such matters, even if I disagree with your stances. I simply wanted to throw out a few jabs in light of these mid-term results.
You're (We're) entitled.

After the 2008 elections, President Obama told us "he won and we need to get out of the way and let him pass his agenda". Just last week, he said "Republicans need to sit in the back of the bus" and his party needs to "destroy their enemies".


Checkmate, Mr. President.
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:36 PM   #83
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What all the liberals on here fail to realize is that Obama did not get elected based on his legislative agenda. That stuff appeals to you and his undeniable success in enacting it fools you into believing he did what he said he was going to do because that is the stuff you care about. He did a damn fine job of getting legislation through that you all like. What he didn't do. What he has failed so miserably at is what he promised he would do when he got elected. HOPE AND CHANGE. That is a much bigger idea. Spin it however you want tonight is an affirmation that his HOPE AND CHANGE mantra was what got him elected. People are tired of all of them...they think the system doesn't work. BO promised to come and fix that. He hasn't even tried. So tonight that part of his agenda, the most important part, he was held accountable for. The Pubs will come in and do nothing to fix it and we'll be back here again in two years. Rinse repeat.
That's one way to look at it, but with all due respect I think your analysis, while partially correct, is still a little short sighted of what happened last night.

Midterms are ALL about voter turnout and which side has the most energy. Less than 50% of Americans are registered to vote. And less than 50% of THOSE people turned out yesterday. So, from state to state, you had between 23% and 30% of the population of those states determining who was going to govern the entire population of those states. This year it was unquestionably the GOP energized by the Tea Party and other right wing elements.

The spin that this was a referendum on Obama sounds good, but support for Obama's agenda, for him as a president, and for him as a person, are all fairly decent, when you ask ALL Americans. Republicans and the Tea Party failed miserably at making any real inroads in reliably blue districts, couldn't unseat a vulnerable Harry Reid, didn't make a dent in either race in California despite all the money they threw around. So the message against HOPE and CHANGE wasn't as resounding as some would like to portray it. Still the White House didn't like waking up to a Republican majority this morning. Things just got harder.
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I'd say he was running in this race in one form or the other. Now he is just running to India to the tune of 200 million per day on the tax payers.

Maybe it costs so much because he's going to a teleprompter for the first time ever in India's Central Hall of Parliament?

Teleprompter to make its debut in Parliament when Obama speaks - India - DNA
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You're (We're) entitled.

After the 2008 elections, President Obama told us "he won and we need to get out of the way and let him pass his agenda". Just last week, he said "Republicans need to sit in the back of the bus" and his party needs to "destroy their enemies".


Checkmate, Mr. President.
Yeah his arrogance is staggering. And referring to fellow political leaders in this country as "enemies" is exactly the type of thinking that has this country's political system in such disarray.
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That's one way to look at it, but with all due respect I think your analysis, while partially correct, is still a little short sighted of what happened last night.

Midterms are ALL about voter turnout and which side has the most energy. Less than 50% of Americans are registered to vote. And less than 50% of THOSE people turned out yesterday. So, from state to state, you had between 23% and 30% of the population of those states determining who was going to govern the entire population of those states. This year it was unquestionably the GOP energized by the Tea Party and other right wing elements.

The spin that this was a referendum on Obama sounds good, but support for Obama's agenda, for him as a president, and for him as a person, are all fairly decent, when you ask ALL Americans. Republicans and the Tea Party failed miserably at making any real inroads in reliably blue districts, couldn't unseat a vulnerable Harry Reid, didn't make a dent in either race in California despite all the money they threw around. So the message against HOPE and CHANGE wasn't as resounding as some would like to portray it. Still the White House didn't like waking up to a Republican majority this morning. Things just got harder.

So Obama has so much support that he could not get them to show up and vote. That makes no sense at all.
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I'm not sure one is necessarily better than the other. Certainly, the Senate has its unique advantages. It has the exclusive advise-and-consent power over presidential appointments, most notably Supreme Court justicies. Second, while revenue bills must originate in the House, a bill that passes the House is sent to the Senate, which is free to "amend" such a bill by deleting the text entirely and replacing it with its own text--keep in mind that the health care reform law was the Senate's bill (of course, any such bill passed by the Senate must then pass the House). Third, from a historical standpoint, the Senate is the country's great equalizer--California has as many senators as Wyoming. So, again, I'm not sure the House is clearly the superior body to have.
When the economy is the issue, like now, and you have been labelled as having no effective plan, like the Republicans have been, then the House gives you the opportunity to lay out grand schemes, win bipartisan votes at the expense of your extreme side, and show the country what you can offer.

When the economy is good, then the Senate becomes a good place because you can take "principled stands", like blocking judges, or amending legislation.

Yes both bodies have their purpose, I was thinking solely of the current environment and political gamesmanship.
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I'd say he was running in this race in one form or the other. Now he is just running to India to the tune of 200 million per day on the tax payers.
So did Harry Ried win because he campaigned for him and Russ Feingold lost because he campaigned for him?

You really are an idiot if you think 200 million dollars are being spent a day. Perhaps they're Indian Rupees?
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A friend in Philly told me they heard there was only 20% voter turn out for the city of Philly, of course a democratic city. Not saying Republican turnout was higher but Philly (and I'm going to assume Pittsburgh but I could be wrong) carry the highest democratic weight. My friend calls the rest of the area of PA above Pitt and Philly, "Pennsyltucky" which is where all the Conservatives are.

Just assuming that if people in the major cities didn't turn out, its no surprise Republicans won.

Oh well. I'm taking the Trample route as an ode to a fallen comrade (cuz that dude just effin disappeared) and say, government sucks and all politicians are crooks. I didn't vote so I'm not really complaining either way. Just hope things workout over the next 2 years.
The Black Panthers turned out again in Philly.
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Yeah his arrogance is staggering. And referring to fellow political leaders in this country as "enemies" is exactly the type of thinking that has this country's political system in such disarray.
Funny liberals don't mind Obama calling Americans "enemies" but freaked out at Bush calling Iran, Iraq, And N. Korea the axis of evil.
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