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Old 02-24-2011, 04:09 PM   #76
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I like Gadhldi reasoning on why exactly this is happening:

He blamed the revolt on bin Laden and teenagers hopped up on hallucinogenic pills given to them "in their coffee with milk, like Nescafe."


Yeah your losing control of the country due to teenagers tripping.
yeah that gave me a laugh...

wish they served coffee like that around here
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Old 02-25-2011, 09:57 AM   #77
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How fantastic is it to see these countries making changes? I love that we're seeing these types of changes from the people that live there rather than going in and forcing it down their throat.

Not only are these people ready for a change, since they've done it themselves they're going to work even harder to make sure it sticks and makes their country better.
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:17 AM   #78
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Lets just hope these changes are for the good and don't turn out like Iran did back in the 80's (I think it was the 80s).
Iran overthrew the Shah in 1979 through a movement led more by religious leaders and less by democratic leaders. The slogan of the Iranian revolution was "vilayat-i-faqih," or "let the religious leaders rule." Given that the leaders of movements in places like Tunisia and Egypt have hoisted the flag of democracy rather than religion, it seems reasonable to expect that the revolutions will turn out differently.

Besides it's not 1979 any more. There are plenty of folks in Iran today who wish that their revolution had worked out differently.
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Old 02-25-2011, 12:06 PM   #79
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Lets just hope these changes are for the good and don't turn out like Iran did back in the 80's (I think it was the 80s).
Good point. It is a bit of a concern in places like Yemen, where Al Qaeda has a presence there and could take advantage of the instability to take over. Although, I feel that the rhetoric behind these protests are not in line with Islamic fundamentalism.
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Does anyone else find it amusing that Iraqis are protesting for change/freedom now given that we brought them change/freedom back in 2003?
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I was reading about the Yugoslav Wars recently and about the student led movement that contributed to Milosevic's ultimate surrender and two things stand out to me.

One, that they were doing much of what the youth in those countries today are doing. But without the benefits of social networking. And two, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the CIA were covertly assisting these students with their overthrows much like they have in years and decades past

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Does it make sense for the U.S. to do so? I could understand Libya a little bit but Egypt/Jordan/Yemen where they have a friendlier regimes in place?
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Only on a web board could someone speaking of current conditions be told to "give it a rest" and have that followed up by slamming a president who has been out of office for over 2 years. I actually laughed out loud.
Are you kidding? A president's actions/consequences don't disappear when his term ends.

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Are you kidding? A president's actions/consequences don't disappear when his term ends.
Again, I was not saying that Pres. Bush's actions as president aren't relevant. But to tell a person who is commenting on a current president to "give it a rest", while bashing a former president (probably for the thousandth time) is hilarious to me.
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Old 02-27-2011, 06:59 PM   #84
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It's amazing how everyone just basically got up the balls to express how dissatisfied they are with their current regimes. In those countries it's damn scary to speak out, you can get killed for it. But en masse, they're doing it.

Just goes to show how the people there are not at all different from us (except for the religious nutjobs). They just want to be heard and to be free.

Social media played a role too. Good job Zuckerberg.
In some weird parallel universe, I suppose Zuckerberg should get a Noble Peace Prize. Without the advent of facebook (and Twitter), I just don't see this happening. Certainly not as swiftly with the whole world watching.
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Best part about the viva la revolution is Al Qaida and Ole Bin Landen are pissed.

A. They arent playing any part in it
B. These protest and revolutions are literred with democratic and power to the people rhetoric. Not the usuall military, violent regime changes people are used to in that region. They are really pissed about that.
This has to be the largest benefit to the U.S. and other countries as it relates to the threat of terrorism.

The protesters have essentially snatched away the anti-west message from al- Qaeda and their operatives, which was a prime recruiting tool. Now young people see that non-violence works. That they do have a voice, that opressive regimes can be overthrown. AQ is significantly weakened by these turn of events in my opinion.
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Again, I was not saying that Pres. Bush's actions as president aren't relevant. But to tell a person who is commenting on a current president to "give it a rest", while bashing a former president (probably for the thousandth time) is hilarious to me.
Good point, how 'bout we stick to the topic, and quit bashing current and former presidents.
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Why? thats just good fun. Not sure if anyone has noticed but gas has jumped 25 cents or more in just one week. I guess Obama is MR Big Oil himself.
Maybe we should invade an oil producing country to fix that...oh wait, that didn't work before.

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Maybe we should invade an oil producing country to fix that...oh wait, that didn't work before.

well Ruhskins while your comment at face value is true... we did invade an oil producing country... but underneath you are blatantly incorrect. We didnt invade with the intent to conquer/colonize... we invaded under the threat of WMD's and we liberated a people from a brutal dictator. If we had wanted to conquer and colonize we would be controlling their oil... but instead being the "Freedom" loving nation that we are we let the Iraqi people bid out their oil rights to the highest bidder... we didnt "Take" their oil.
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well Ruhskins while your comment at face value is true... we did invade an oil producing country... but underneath you are blatantly incorrect. We didnt invade with the intent to conquer/colonize... we invaded under the threat of WMD's and we liberated a people from a brutal dictator. If we had wanted to conquer and colonize we would be controlling their oil... but instead being the "Freedom" loving nation that we are we let the Iraqi people bid out their oil rights to the highest bidder... we didnt "Take" their oil.
Please tell me that you do not believe this obsolete propaganda.

Iraq had no WMD's. Iran and N.Korea did in 2003. So if we were going to invade to dismantle WMD's, we invaded the wrong place.

As for "brutal dictators," by 2003 Saddam had been thoroughly neutered by UN sanctions and did not really control 2/3 of the country. So in 2003 he was still "brutal," but hardly a powerful dictator. But there were other brutal dictators who were more powerful. If we just wanted to dismantle the rule of a brutal dictator, we picked the wrong place.

Apparently you are not aware that the Iraqi oil industry was rebuilt by Halliburton, Cheney's company. So while we did not colonize Iraq or steal their oil, Cheney made a mint off of the invasion.

Further, both Bush and Cheney are heavily invested in several military industries. Every bullet and every shell that we fired in Iraq lined Bush and Cheney's pockets. Remember when the Halliburton subsidiary KBR was caught red-handed charging outrageous fees for meals, laundry, etc., for soldiers?
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:36 AM   #90
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See you get your news from the far left democrate sites. Please give us those links showing how Bush and Cheney made money off the war as you describe. You do know Cheney sold any interest he had in Haliburton before he became VP.
Nope. I am neither Democrat nor Republican. I do not go to far left sites. I get my news, daily, from The New York Times and other independent outlets.

I have tried to find links but they are buried under crap, given the the stories I referenced are now 8 or so years old. I do not have time to dig for news that anyone could have read before had they been paying attention.

BTW In office Cheney remained a "consultant" for Halliburton and then apparently re-deepened his involvement after leaving office.

You also forget about Bush/Cheney complicity in the war industries Carlyle Group and Bechtel Corp.

The Iraq war was not about a dictator or WMD's, as was indicated above. Like most wars, it was about the greed of powerful people.
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