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Old 04-13-2011, 02:12 PM   #16
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Well that's basically my point. Lincoln was basically a loose constructionist who took certain liberties, I guess you could say, with his power. I just wonder what kind of reaction some of his actions would take today
Tea Party'ers would probably say he was "Betraying the party of Lincoln". lol.
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JoeRedskin, the two major parties have switched and changed roles, beliefs and even names several times throughout history. First it was the Democrat-Republicians vs the Federalists. Then the Republicans and Dems. Now the newer Republicans and the newer Dems.

With a few other wrinkles(populists, whigs, etc.).
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Yup. I am aware of the historical twists and turns of our, essentially, two party system.

My point, however, (half-facetiously) was that modern day Republicans often cling to the "Party of Lincoln" legacy when, in fact, Lincoln expanded the Federal govt.'s authority further than any President before him and, for all practical intents and purposes, destroyed the original federalistic system created by the Founders. Concepts contrary to current Republican doctrine and anti-thetical to the Tea Party portion of the party.
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Well that's basically my point. Lincoln was basically a loose constructionist who took certain liberties, I guess you could say, with his power. I just wonder what kind of reaction some of his actions would take today
I know. But unlike me, you didn't take half a page to say what only needed a sentence. Sometimes, I just like to convince myself of my own brilliance and that, generally, takes at least a page and a half.
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Yup. I am aware of the historical twists and turns of our, essentially, two party system.

My point, however, (half-facetiously) was that modern day Republicans often cling to the "Party of Lincoln" legacy when, in fact, Lincoln expanded the Federal govt.'s authority further than any President before him and, for all practical intents and purposes, destroyed the original federalistic system created by the Founders. Concepts contrary to current Republican doctrine and anti-thetical to the Tea Party portion of the party.
Like this classic exchange on 30 Rock (tried to find the video clip, couldn't so I just pilfered this straight from IMDB)

Jack asks Tracy if he supports lower taxes -- he would if he paid them. Gun ownership? Tracy says, "Go on...' States rights? He loves states rights! Jack also mentions that Lincoln was a Republican, and Dotcom chimes in.

"Actually, today's Republican party would be unrecognizable to Lincoln. He fought a war to preserve federal authority over the states, that's not exactly small government." Jack says Dotcom's need to be the smartest guy in the room is off-putting.

Dotcom hangs his head and says "I guess that's why I'm still single."
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My great great grandfather's 2 older brothers died in the war, one in Sulfolk Va another taken prisoner at Gettysburg and died in a POW camp at Point Lookout Md. after spending time at Fort Delaware prison camp.

Most interesting time our history, and im a little of an amature buff myself. The evil of Slavery no doubt was the cause of the war, but I think if you asked the average southern soldier back then, when the yanks sent an armed invasion force cross the Mason-Dixon line, that was the reason men took up arms, and enlistment then sky-rocketed. Why did they fight, well cause there were armed men in his backyard.

You gotta tip your hat to Lincoln, most important President of all time because he did end up preserving the union.
Wow, your family history is amazing.

I grew up about 20 minutes from Gettysburg so I was there all the time, especially during the summer, I'd be walking the battlefield most weekends.

The PA Monument is one of my favorites, I've found my name on there at least 4-5 times...not my last name, my actual name. It's a great monument, has an internal spiral staircase where you can go up 110 feet to a roof balcony to get a great view of the battlefield. It also has the names of every Pennsylvanian that served.

I read Civil War encyclopedias and watched the Ken Burns series when I was a kid, probably odd, but I've always loved Civil War history. Instead of green army men, I had blue and gray ones.

In fact, I watched the Burns series again last week.

PA Memorial monument (bronze plaques have thousands of names):


To get an idea of the size:
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^Gettysburg is great. Went there on a family trip..gosh...like 20 years ago. Seeing Little and Big Round Top was incredible. My relative that fought there was in an artillery unit, cant even to begin to imagine...War back then was just such a slaughter.

I read once at the end of the cold war, when USSR was sending its leaders and ambassadors over in talks and what not...when asked where they wanted to visit and see while they had the chance, most in politics were ex military in USSR, they chose Gettysburg. Worldwide its known as really the "game changer". Lee needed to bring the war up North and needed a substantial win there...if the south would have driven the North in retreat, it could be a very different place where we live.
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This is pretty interesting

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Old 04-19-2011, 02:05 PM   #25
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Re: 150th Anniversary of the Civil War

Interesting discussion, fellas. Here's a great recent NY Times article about the somewhat organic way that slavery became a central issue in the war. It includes an amazing history I had never heard of:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/ma...ewanted=1&_r=1
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I really enjoy Civil War history. I've been to Gettysburg, Antietam, Chancellorsville, Manassas, the place in Spotsylvania where Stonewall Jackson died, and others. I loved the Killer Angels and Confederates in the Attic, and, of course, the Ken Burns' special. One of the more notable things I've come across in visiting Civil War sites was the grave of a confederate soldier at the Appomattox site. A short distance away from his grave is a stand that identifies his history (his grave is pretty nondescript). Clink on this link (Pretty remarkable): Pvt Jesse H. Hutchins ( - 1865) - Find A Grave Memorial

On a lighter note, one of my favorite passages from Confederates in the Attic is the author describing a conversation he had with a NPS employee at the Fort Sumter monument, in which the NPS guy related the story of being asked by a visitor one day why it was that so many Civil War battles were fought on National Park sites.
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Interesting discussion, fellas. Here's a great recent NY Times article about the somewhat organic way that slavery became a central issue in the war. It includes an amazing history I had never heard of:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/ma...ewanted=1&_r=1
Good stuff. Shows how major events in history can be triggered by the acts of very ordinary people acting as catalysts.
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Re: 150th Anniversary of the Civil War

I thought that I should share this: as a worker for a government institution in Mississippi, I had the day off today. The occasion? Confederate Memorial Day.
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I thought that I should share this: as a worker for a government institution in Mississippi, I had the day off today. The occasion? Confederate Memorial Day.
THAT is awesome...........
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