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Old 05-05-2011, 10:15 AM   #301
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I was just discussing with a buddy can you imagine the shit storm had we taken him alive? It would have dragged on for a couple of years.
A couple......and God forbid he went to trial.
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:17 AM   #302
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I was just discussing with a buddy can you imagine the shit storm had we taken him alive? It would have dragged on for a couple of years.
Yeah I think it was good that it had a swift ending. Dragging it out would have been a mess.
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:26 AM   #303
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probably belonged to one of the kids there
Our maybe the thought it was one of those new Lazar guns and he was just itching for a reason to try it out. I think that was a chunk of his brain beside the gun that he should have been using.

As far as the pics I thought part of the reason for not bombing the place was so we would have evidence that we got him. The only evidence is the pictures.
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Smart move by the Pres. The faster people forget about bin laden the faster what he stood for becomes irrelevant.

Something else ive been thinking a lot about is the timing of the raid. They were pretty sure since August bin laden was there. They were pretty much positive that bin laden was there since feb. Im guessing since august they started looking pretty deeply into if Pakistan was involved or perhaps to what extent Pakistan is involved. Also they were probably hoping other top al qaida officials might get caught when the courier communicated with them. Maybe hoping to get some intel on if al quida has a nuclear bomb or anything they may be planning or how strong they are or how influential bin laden really was anymore. Im also thinking in feb. there was way too much uncertainty going on with Middle East riots… even though things are still far from settled.

It makes sense to do it on May 1st, a Sunday night so youll have a whole week of positive news on the administration. This is clearly good for Obama’s ratings, and doesn’t hurt that this happened right before the start of Republican primaries. Pres Bush declared “Mission Accomplished” 8 years ago to the day….. The news Hitler died was announced on May 1st. And May 2nd is Holocaust Remembrance Day a Federal holiday in Israel. Recently released wikileaks also could have made bin laden feel like the US was getting close and make him change hiding spots, or at least worry the US into thinking he might make a move.

Im thinking this was a pretty calculated date, probably for reasons less-political or coincidental that what I listed above. It may not have been the number one choice but was probably up there and could have been slightly forced by wikileak documents or more likely something we have no idea about.
Also the day before bin laden was killed Gaddafi's son and 3 of Gaddafi's grandchildren (all young ages) and a friend were all killed in a NATO air strke (i thought we were susposed to be staying out of this?). This definitely didnt get much attention.... i mean heck no one even bumped the World Revolution Thread 2011.
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Our maybe the thought it was one of those new Lazar guns and he was just itching for a reason to try it out. I think that was a chunk of his brain beside the gun that he should have been using.

As far as the pics I thought part of the reason for not bombing the place was so we would have evidence that we got him. The only evidence is the pictures.
And DNA
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:33 AM   #306
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Our maybe the thought it was one of those new Lazar guns and he was just itching for a reason to try it out. I think that was a chunk of his brain beside the gun that he should have been using.

As far as the pics I thought part of the reason for not bombing the place was so we would have evidence that we got him. The only evidence is the pictures.

Whats a Lazar gun?

Also in addition to DNA there are countless eye witnesses both on our side and bin ladens side.
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I am certain that the photos have been circulated within international governments at some level to substantiate the death of Bin Laden. The question is more about putting them out for some sort of public gratification.

I don't have an issue either way, but I do think the issue goes away faster without public pictures than with them.
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:45 AM   #308
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like i previously said every new story i read makes this mission more and more bad ass, now it sounds lke we were using top secret helicopters, thats why they tried to destroy it.

'Secret stealth chopper' used in bin Laden attack

this is the link with the pictures that skinnytee put up, the first four are the chopper, after that it gets graphic

Inside bin Laden's Compound
They pretty much try to destroy any aircraft left behind because even though some use old technology the computers on board are top secret.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/05/wo...t/05seals.html
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Old 05-05-2011, 11:29 AM   #310
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Whats a Lazar gun?

Also in addition to DNA there are countless eye witnesses both on our side and bin ladens side.

Not sure how that would work sense none of them knew he was living there. If people are not going to believe the government that he is dead why would they believe the DNA?
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Not sure how that would work sense none of them knew he was living there. If people are not going to believe the government that he is dead why would they believe the DNA?
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Old 05-05-2011, 12:18 PM   #312
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Not sure how that would work sense none of them knew he was living there. If people are not going to believe the government that he is dead why would they believe the DNA?
I believe he was referring to his wife and kids who were there and saw him get killed.
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Photos of him dead are not meaningful proof that it is him..it doesn't make sense for the united states to lie about his death.

Osama is dead when America says he is dead.
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Photos of him dead are not meaningful proof that it is him..it doesn't make sense for the united states to lie about his death.

Osama is dead when America says he is dead.
Agreed, because Al Qaeda would immediately deny it.
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I wonder whats going to come of all this.I hope we don't see another 9/11.
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