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Old 06-27-2011, 09:08 AM   #61
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And here's why, kids, the proposed law is over before it even starts...
here is why it doesn't matter if it is dead in the water, it's just a first step. the first bill for something like this would never pass the main thing is getting a real discussion started.

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The goal of the bill, HR 2306, is not to legalize marijuana but to remove it from the list of federally controlled substances while allowing states to decide how they will regulate it.

"I do not advocate urging people to smoke marijuana. Neither do I urge them to drink alcoholic beverages or smoke tobacco," said Frank (D-Mass.). "But in none of these cases do I think prohibition enforced by criminal sanctions is good public policy.

"Criminally prosecuting adults for making the choice to smoke marijuana is a waste of law enforcement resources and an intrusion on personal freedom," he added.

Frank admitted in a conference call Thursday that he didn't think the bill had a chance of passing, but according to Reason's Hit & Run blog, the congressman was "particularly struck by the hypocrisy of public officials who will themselves talk about smoking marijuana, wink at it, and
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Old 06-27-2011, 01:01 PM   #62
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I'd bet Smith is for state right in other matters. I'm not liberal by any stretch but this war on drugs is such a waist of time and money.
Legislating morality gets you votes though
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Old 06-27-2011, 06:23 PM   #63
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I'd bet Smith is for state right in other matters. I'm not liberal by any stretch but this war on drugs is such a waist of time and money.
Of course, both sides have their inconsistencies, but the far right is off the charts on the hypocrisy scale when it comes to states rights...

-- They're for states' rights except when the state of Oregon passes a doctor assisted suicide law.

-- They're for states' rights except when New York allows homosexual marriage.

-- They're for states' rights but not when California permits medical marijuana dispensaries.

Come to think of it, why do they even say they believe in states' rights?
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War on drugs a trillion-dollar failure - CNN.com

Strong strong article.

Interesting:"A Pew study says it costs the U.S. an average of $30,000 a year to incarcerate an inmate, but the nation spends only an average $11,665 per public school student. The future of our nations and our children should be our priority"
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:51 PM   #66
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And here's why, kids, the proposed law is over before it even starts...
Right, as opposed cigarettes.
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Old 12-07-2012, 05:16 PM   #67
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has anyone here been in prison?
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has anyone here been in prison?
I see where this is going.........

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ha!

no, i was just curious.

real prison w $50k bail for possessing mj (second offense, less than 1 gram both times) > probation violation > warrant issued > turned self in

other bail hearings;
$5k for the guy who broke a liquor bottle over a drive-thru employee's head
$10k for the guy w about 10 similar offenses
$20k for the guy w the unregistered firearm
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War on drugs a trillion-dollar failure - CNN.com

Strong strong article.

Interesting:"A Pew study says it costs the U.S. an average of $30,000 a year to incarcerate an inmate, but the nation spends only an average $11,665 per public school student. The future of our nations and our children should be our priority"
Executing more criminals would solve that.
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Executing more criminals would solve that.
So would embracing more financial based penalties for non-violent criminals and eliminating privatized prisons.
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:04 PM   #73
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People are going to buy drugs one way or another. The source may change, but if people want them they will find them. Fairly simple supply vs demand issue. Keep in mind, I said violent criminals should be in jail. Most of these big time drug groups are also violent criminals. That said, each offense has a graduated fine scale that quickly increases. If they fail to get the message, they will eventually be jailed.

Each person we have in prison ends up costing the US $22,000 a year*. That's your tax money hard at work to put other humans in cages to sit there all day. The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Are we really the most crime ridden country, or are our laws part of the issue? I would argue there are issues with our laws. Want to cut spending? Start with keeping non-violent prisoners out of jail and have them pay fines. That makes money rather than losing it.

Look at our recidivsm rate in the country. The amount of people that go BACK to jail after being there is terribly high. After going to jail within 3 years 60ish percent are rearrested and 50ish percent are back in jail. When someone goes to jail, then gets out, they can't find a job, they've learned no skills to help them become a contributor to society, but rather continues to be a drain. We're sending people to jail, then kicking them out on the streets with no real way to support themselves, then expect them to not commit more crimes? If you want to keep putting record numbers of people in jail, we should be forcing them to develop skills and vocations. It wouldn't cost much more and I would be curious to see the effect on the recidivsm rate.

Most privatized prisons get paid for 90% occupancy, if they aren't full. They may be 'cheaper' than government run prisons, but I don't think there should ever be financial incentives for people to go to jail. There have been cases showing Judges giving overly harsh sentences and getting kick backs from these prisons. Here's one case: Kids for cash scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no positive for society to toss people in jail to rot. Some people are beyond saving, but there are a lot of people who make bad decisions early in life and are unable to rebound. I couldn't imagine having jail time/a felony on my record and trying to get a job. It's damn near impossible and people will do what they need to do to survive. I'm not making excuses, some people are just bad apples, and they deserve to stay in prison. Some people can be highly functioning and contributing members of society if they don't spend a couple years in jail for fairly minor crimes.

* - Got this from a single source, will gladly hear other numbers.
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How about chain gangs? Make felons work off their time?

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How about chain gangs? Make felons work off their time?

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I'm fine with labor or a fine. Their choice.
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