Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The left is funny. That's an issue but this was not.

‪Reverend Jeremiah Wright "God Damn America"‬‏ - YouTube

What? It wasn't an issue? What space time continuum do you live in? How often do you visit our relm?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

What? It wasn't an issue? What space time continuum do you live in? How often do you visit our relm?

It was not an issue for the millions that voted for him.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

It was not an issue for the millions that voted for him.

Wright's sermon wasn't an issue for me at all because I watched it in context. There are consequences to every action including that of a nation. Now, a lot of people take what Wright said as support for Osama and the murder of American citizens. I don't and neither did 58 million people who voted for him.


As for Bachmann, I could careless about this controversy though the irony is quite rich. I am amused that Bachmann would quit the church and try to distance herself from a church that says Catholics revere the anti-christ as their leader while trying to covet the support of catholic republicans like SS33.

Religion...a comedy of errors.

[Chico23231]

Herman Cain backs mosque bans | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Title is bad, and when you read the article it gets worse. Thrilled this guy will never be president of anything outside of a pizza company.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

As for Bachmann, I could careless about this controversy though the irony is quite rich. I am amused that Bachmann would quit the church and try to distance herself from a church that says Catholics revere the anti-christ as their leader while trying to covet the support of catholic republicans like SS33.

Without getting WAAAAYYYY down into the dogmatic weeds on the positions of Lutherans and the Catholic Church, this position and others like it are common with many Protestants and Evangelicals and highlight the differences between Christian denominations.

I do agree with you on the irony here. I'm definitely not thrilled with Bachmann's move to leave her church. I understand why politicians do what they do, but stand up and explain your beliefs and let the American people decide (Catholic or otherwise), don't run from them.

This is very similar to Obama throwing Wright overboard.

[12thMan]

Actually there's a big difference between Obama and Bachmann on this issue.

The media, by and large, put Obama in a tight spot and he had to publicly give account for his faith and even defended Wright not once, but twice. It wasn't until Wright kept stirring the pot in the media, following Obama's speech on race in Philly, that he had no choice but to cut ties.

Quite different from what the Bachmann's have done. She hasn't given one single interview, one statement, or explained to the American people her relationship with her former pastor and church. What she has done is sign a bunch of phony moral pledges pandering to the fringe element of the party.

[12thMan]

I wanted to bump this to add Rick Perry to the mix. He'll probably announce this weekend. Of all the candidates, I probably know the least about this guy.

Rick Perry (Governor Texas) Lieutenant Governor of Texas in 1998 and assumed the governorship in December 2000 when George W. Bush resigned to become President of the United States. Perry was elected to full gubernatorial terms in 2002, 2006 and 2010.

Of the entire GOP, Governor Perry is the only candidate that is a sitting governor. That probably gives him a leg up on the rest of the field as he can discuss the pressing issues in real time; state budgets, unemployment, and immigration. Speaking of real time, two years ago this month Texas was on the other of a credit rating upgrade issued by none other than S&P, which could theoretically put Perry's economic stewardship in stark contrast to that of President Obama's, who just oversaw the first credit rating downgrade in the nation's history.

My sense is the GOP establishment is split on Perry. On one hand, he can immediately put several states into play, Texas included of course. On the other hand, well, he's from Texas. And I'm sure Democrats will be falling over themselves to remind voters of the last president that came from the state of Texas. So far Perry has already dipped his toe into the same sex marriage debate, got a little slap on the wrist from some big donors and later "refined" his position. Whoops! Happens. Candidates say things and they have to walk it back a bit.

Governor Perry has a few things going for him. He's a clear alternative to Mitt Romney. I think voters will see a big state politician with small town and folksy appeal. He even looks like the part. Governor Perry and Michele Bachmann, and to some extent Ron Paul, will appeal to the libertarian and evangelical wing of the party. The least happiest guy in the race about Perry's decision to jump in the race is Tim Pawlenty. This could possibly suck what little oxygen his campaign had left.

On paper Perry looks like the candidate the GOP has been waiting for, let's see what he has once he's on the stump.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I wanted to bump this to add Rick Perry to the mix. He'll probably announce this weekend. Of all the candidates, I probably know the least about this guy.

Rick Perry (Governor Texas) Lieutenant Governor of Texas in 1998 and assumed the governorship in December 2000 when George W. Bush resigned to become President of the United States. Perry was elected to full gubernatorial terms in 2002, 2006 and 2010.

Of the entire GOP, Governor Perry is the only candidate that is a sitting governor. That probably gives him a leg up on the rest of the field as he can discuss the pressing issues in real time; state budgets, unemployment, and immigration. Speaking of real time, two years ago this month Texas was on the other of a credit rating upgrade issued by none other than S&P, which could theoretically put Perry's economic stewardship in stark contrast to that of President Obama's, who just oversaw the first credit rating downgrade in the nation's history.

My sense is the GOP establishment is split on Perry. On one hand, he can immediately put several states into play, Texas included of course. On the other hand, well, he's from Texas. And I'm sure Democrats will be falling over themselves to remind voters of the last president that came from the state of Texas. So far Perry has already dipped his toe into the same sex marriage debate, got a little slap on the wrist from some big donors and later "refined" his position. Whoops! Happens. Candidates say things and they have to walk it back a bit.

Governor Perry has a few things going for him. He's a clear alternative to Mitt Romney. I think voters will see a big state politician with small town and folksy appeal. He even looks like the part. Governor Perry and Michele Bachmann, and to some extent Ron Paul, will appeal to the libertarian and evangelical wing of the party. The least happiest guy in the race about Perry's decision to jump in the race is Tim Pawlenty. This could possibly suck what little oxygen his campaign had left.

On paper Perry looks like the candidate the GOP has been waiting for, let's see what he has once he's on the stump.

You probably know more about the candidates running for the GOP then I do. I'll wait until they are weeded down to a few to decide who if any I'll vote for.

[GMScud]

Democrats doubt Barack Obama's reelection chances - Telegraph

[Chico23231]

Someone fill me in on what I missed last night with the debate. Heard it got a little testy

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Someone fill me in on what I missed last night with the debate. Heard it got a little testy

Debate? Football kickoff last night and I had to watch the NFL Network as they skipped around from game to game. I can tell you what I saw in the Eagles, Dallas, Or Pats.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Debate? Football kickoff last night and I had to watch the NFL Network as they skipped around from game to game. I can tell you what I saw in the Eagles, Dallas, Or Pats.

ESPN had Chargers-Seahawks too. Flipped to the debate during commericals....same-old-same-old, no big surprises. One question to Bachmann about a comment she made concerning the bible verse about "wives being submissive to their husbands" was pretty good though. She took a LOOOONG pause before answering that one, but she recovered OK.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

ESPN had Chargers-Seahawks too. Flipped to the debate during commericals....same-old-same-old, no big surprises. One question to Bachmann about a comment she made concerning the bible verse about "wives being submissive to their husbands" was pretty good though. She took a LOOOONG pause before answering that one, but she recovered OK.

Yea, I saw they had the Chargers & Seahawks and wondered who the hell want to watch that. Even though its preseason there where better games to show.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Yea, I saw they had the Chargers & Seahawks and wondered who the hell want to watch that. Even though its preseason there where better games to show.

Pressing question: Michelle B or Sarah P? Think i gotta roll Sarah P

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Pressing question: Michelle B or Sarah P? Think i gotta roll Sarah P

At first I was going to say MB because SP has so many kids and having that many kids has to knock that thing out of wack (probably all flappy like a jelly fish). Then I look and MB has 4 or 5 kids herself so I'll go snorkling with SP.