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Old 10-13-2011, 11:15 AM   #331
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Folks like us that follow things understand what's going on and to Obama's credit he's done some good things on National Security.....some not so good too. At the end of the day the Rs will point to defense cuts, Obama simply reaping the benefits (the al-Qaeda kills) of what the Bush Admin started, and mention that he had no foreign policy experience when he came in. I don't see NS being an issue that helps Obama.

In Nov. 2012, "It's the economy stupid", and 39% approval numbers a year out from re-election ain't good.

That poll was done right after Bin Laden was killed....c'mon man.
Yeah that's a tough sell for Rs, that Obama's reaping the benefits of Bush when he's doubled Bush's success in 3 years and put a hole in Bin Laden's head. In terms of defense cuts, Robert Gates proposed $78 Billion in cuts and he's Bush's appointee. Besides most Americans understand that our defense budget is unsustainable and has been a drag on our economy. The majority of Americans want to end these costly wars like yesterday.

Mitt Romney proposing an increase in defense spending at a time when the middle class has been squeezed like never before, income disparity is the highest it's been in 30 years, and we lack investment in education and energy, I think that's a debate Obama is happy to have Romney.

Robert Gates proposes $78 billion US defence cuts - Telegraph

Obama Said to Seek $400 Billion Defense Cut Through Fiscal 2023 - Bloomberg
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Few things:

1. If you turn 999 upside down what do you get? You get the devil and we all know the devil is in the details.

2. Herman Cain proposed a federal sales tax and thus taking away or marginalizing the power of a state to manage its own sales tax policy and the conservatives cheer?

3. Per his request as reflected in his performance I'm going to officially eliminate Perry from contention.

4. Romney looks like he is going to get his wish...it's a shame he will get get creamed by Obama.
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Old 10-13-2011, 12:07 PM   #333
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So wait, you and SligginSammy have a bet, right? $100? LOL...I can't wait to see who pays up.
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Folks like us that follow things understand what's going on and to Obama's credit he's done some good things on National Security.....some not so good too. At the end of the day the Rs will point to defense cuts, Obama simply reaping the benefits (the al-Qaeda kills) of what the Bush Admin started, and mention that he had no foreign policy experience when he came in. I don't see NS being an issue that helps Obama.

In Nov. 2012, "It's the economy stupid", and 39% approval numbers a year out from re-election ain't good.

That poll was done right after Bin Laden was killed....c'mon man.
Looks like Obama still reaping that benifits of a poor economy, which was what the Bush Admin started. Interesting read, inflation numbers and consumer price indexes from 2004 to 2008
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Few things:

1. If you turn 999 upside down what do you get? You get the devil and we all know the devil is in the details.
The more I hear from her the less likely I think she'll ever be successful on the national stage.

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2. Herman Cain proposed a federal sales tax and thus taking away or marginalizing the power of a state to manage its own sales tax policy and the conservatives cheer?
Herman Cain's 999 plan is a step towards implementing the FairTax plan. Under FairTax the states still have the opportunity to impose an income tax, however that's unlikely and states will simply adjust their sales tax rate to be revenue neutral.

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3. Per his request as reflected in his performance I'm going to officially eliminate Perry from contention.
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4. Romney looks like he is going to get his wish...
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Looks like Obama still reaping that benifits of a poor economy, which was what the Bush Admin started. Interesting read, inflation numbers and consumer price indexes from 2004 to 2008
Keep in mind, I'm stating how I think the Rs will attack Obama on National Security, not that I think it's the best way to go. Precisely because of some counter-arguments that are opened up, specifically like the one you just mentioned.

If it's me running the R campaign, I give credit to Obama for success against Al Qaeda and mention that he's taken plays from the conservative playbook in the War on Terror....and I make it a point to call it that, I point to defense cuts, and point to his limited foreign policy experience in 2008. Then I quickly move on to the poor economy, tax & spend, etc.
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Keep in mind, I'm stating how I think the Rs will attack Obama on National Security, not that I think it's the best way to go. Precisely because of some counter-arguments that are opened up, specifically like the one you just mentioned.

If it's me running the R campaign, I give credit to Obama for success against Al Qaeda and mention that he's taken plays from the conservative playbook in the War on Terror....and I make it a point to call it that, I point to defense cuts, and point to his limited foreign policy experience in 2008. Then I quickly move on to the poor economy, tax & spend, etc.
True....sidenote with GOP candidates, Im glad Cain is coming back and showing good numbers, not cause i agree with what he is saying, but since the beginning hes been the only one offering tangeble solutions to issues. I thought the R would lean towards more style than substance with with Bachman and Perry. I think that really says people are listening and expecting real solutions this time. So this should wake up the Rs as well as Obama. Its a good sign.
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True....sidenote with GOP candidates, Im glad Cain is coming back and showing good numbers, not cause i agree with what he is saying, but since the beginning hes been the only one offering tangeble solutions to issues. I thought the R would lean towards more style than substance with with Bachman and Perry. I think that really says people are listening and expecting real solutions this time. So this should wake up the Rs as well as Obama. Its a good sign.
I've always like Cain, he's great on radio. I didn't think he would be showing so strong, but I'd certainly say your assessment is dead on. I know I've been disappointed in both Bachmann/Perry.

As you look through the field of GOP challengers, where does their support go when they drop.....Romney or Cain. Some will go to Romney because of the Christie endorsement, but you've got to think Perry's folks will go in a large percentage to Cain, Bachmann & Gingrich to Cain, Ron Paul tough to say. If that holds up, Cain should be the nominee.

This is turning out to be a very intresting GOP campaign.
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Old 10-13-2011, 01:53 PM   #339
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I've always like Cain, he's great on radio. I didn't think he would be showing so strong, but I'd certainly say your assessment is dead on. I know I've been disappointed in both Bachmann/Perry.

As you look through the field of GOP challengers, where does their support go when they drop.....Romney or Cain. Some will go to Romney because of the Christie endorsement, but you've got to think Perry's folks will go in a large percentage to Cain, Bachmann & Gingrich to Cain, Ron Paul tough to say. If that holds up, Cain should be the nominee.

This is turning out to be a very intresting GOP campaign.
I think if Cain slides, and he could given the fluid nature of the field, his support would go back to Perry. Romney's ceiling seems to be in the 22% range since day one. Romney will get his breakthrough once he's nominated. Even that isn't looking like a slam dunk, though I expect it to happen.

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Old 10-13-2011, 01:55 PM   #340
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I like Obama's foreign policy more than Mitt's, but its the lesser of 2 evils for me as i think they are both pretty bad. I think the problem Obama has is that he has really upset a part of his base by entering into new wars. He has also given off the perception that he is siding with Palestiniansí which hurts his Jewish support.

Also Romney, in particular, will attack Obama on the popular opinion that Obama is and has been publically apologizing for what he views as America's past sins. A lot of Obama's apology tour was exaggerated and in some cases in line with past Presidents, but some of it was very questionable.

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Like past presidential elections I think America blindly votes for one person or political party over another, although I think the 2008 elections were of particular ignorance. Democrats, Independents and even many Republicans didnít want a neo-con or anything that reminded them of Bush. After 12 years of Bush and 8 years of Clinton the thought of Hilary seemed better suited for a empire and not a republic. A young, very well educated and incredible articulate speaker that seemed to truly want to transform the way things are done in Washington, paired with the insider Biden who could administer those changes seemed appealing to everyone, policy issues aside. That combined with someone who wanted to end 7 long years of what seemed like a misguided war was a big part of the reason Obama, the brand, became extremely desirable.

A lot of the things that made his brand so popular a few years ago are completely gone. Its not just that people feel like Obama didnít live up to his hype and they were somewhat short changed, itís that a lot of people feel that Obama sold out and they were cheated. Obama has no hope whatsoever in energizing those people like he did in 2008, however, many people are energized to vote against anyone who isnít named Obama. More votes in 2008 may have been cast in ignorance then any prior election, but the amount of people blindly voting for anything but Obama in 2012 may be just as bad.

I donít think Obama or saden1 has a chance.
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ML, our troops will be home by year's end (knock on wood). So what new wars has Obama started?
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Old 10-13-2011, 02:31 PM   #342
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I like Obama's foreign policy more than Mitt's, but its the lesser of 2 evils for me as i think they are both pretty bad. I think the problem Obama has is that hes really upset a part of his base by entering into new wars. He also has made the public perception that he is siding with Palestiniansí has also hurt a lot of his Jewish support.

I will also add something i think Romney, in particular, will attack Obama on is the popular opinion that Obama is and has been publically apologizing for what he views as America's past sins. A lot of Obama's apology tour was exaggerated and in some cases in line with past Presidents, but some of it was very questionable.

Apologies Not Accepted - Investors.com

Like all presidential elections I think America blindly voted for one person or political party over another, although I think the 2008 elections were of particular ignorance. Democrats, Independents and even many Republicans didnít want a neo-con or anything that reminded them of Bush. After 12 years of Bush and 8 years of Clinton the thought of Hilary seemed better suited for a empire and not a republic. A young, very well educated and incredible articulate speaker that seemed to truly want to transform the way things are done in Washington, paired with the insider Biden who could administer those changes seemed appealing to everyone, policy issues aside. That combined with someone who wanted to end 7 long years of what seemed like a misguided war was a big part of the reason Obama, the brand, became extremely desirable.

A lot of the things that made his brand so popular a few years ago are completely gone. Its not just that people feel like Obama didnít live up to his hype and they were somewhat short changed, itís that a lot of people feel that Obama sold out and they were cheated. Obama has no hope whatsoever in energizing those people like he did in 2008, however, many people are energized to vote against anyone who isnít named Obama. More votes in 2008 may have been cast in ignorance then any prior election, but the amount of people blindly voting for anything but Obama may be just as bad.

I donít think Obama or saden1 has a chance.
You raise some fair points. But your statement about Obama's brand being gone is largely media driven and way off the mark. Are Obama supporters as enthusiastic as they were in '08, I don't think so. However the grassroots remains solid. Even in the best of economic times, no policy (foreign or domestic) is without flaws and has the luxury of hindsight. Every president could have done things better or differently. For me, Obama has been largely as advertised. He said change would be difficult, he's been pragmatic, and not overly partisan. For people that would like to see more conservative policies coming out of the White House, well, vote your guy into office. It's really that simple.

Also worth noting that Obama just raised $70 million dollars last quarter and 257,000 of those people were first time donors. That's a quarter of a million new supporters into the fold. Pretty incredible for someone who's brand is suffering. In my opinion those numbers are a good indicator of where he stands with his base of supporters. If Mitt Romney and the GOP are counting on voters abandoning Obama next year, they will most definitely be disappointed.

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Old 10-13-2011, 03:00 PM   #343
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Honestly I'm not happy with any of the Republican candidates. I just went looking the other day at each candidate and after a short while gave up thinking our options are either Obama or trash. I'd have taken almost any of the candidates who have declined to run over the candidates who are on the table right now.

Which is why today I went looking and found this......

Petition to Draft Donald Trump for President 2012

and signed the Petition to the right. He did say if there were no decent options he would step up and run.
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Few things:

1. If you turn 999 upside down what do you get? You get the devil and we all know the devil is in the details.

2. Herman Cain proposed a federal sales tax and thus taking away or marginalizing the power of a state to manage its own sales tax policy and the conservatives cheer?

3. Per his request as reflected in his performance I'm going to officially eliminate Perry from contention.

4. Romney looks like he is going to get his wish...it's a shame he will get get creamed by Obama.
I just don't like Romney who is second runner up right now to Cain. Of the two I'd take Cain but I'm not impressed with him either.

Again which is why I'd take Trump. I know some will think I'm a fool but I like a lot of his ideas which were similar to my own and thinking hopefully a business man can fix our failed situation over bringing in yet another failed politition.
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You want a businessman...but you don't want Mitt?
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