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Old 06-07-2011, 03:21 PM   #46
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I've not inferred his policies aren't left enough. I just said I find it ironic that Republicans are bashing Obama, when his policies are nearly identical to that of Bush.

Obama hasn't come through on any of his main campaign promises, and I'll never vote for him based off of his performance. I certainly would never vote for those idiots from the GOP either. Like I said, how people can still vote for the GOP with the state our economy is in proves that people will believe anything.
What, he's delivered on a ton of campaign promises. What are you talking about?

Healthcare Reform
Financial Services Reform
DADT
Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)
Lilly Ledbetter Act (Fair pay act for women)
Umm...he said if had actionable intelligence to kill bin Laden, even if he was hiding in Pakistan, he'd do so without permission.
START treaty w/Russia. Reducing nukes by a third. Huge f*****in deal.

This is just off the top of my head.

A few have slipped through the cracks, but he'll get another bite at the apple.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:21 PM   #47
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Maybe I'm just missing your answer, but the bolded point sounds like you won't vote for him in 2012, since he had no prior Presidential performance in 2008 and you're using a future tense. You don't mention if you voted for Obama in 2008. Just wanting to clearly understand your response.
I, too, noticed his carefully crafted answer and avoidance.
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Who cares if he did... that doesn't mean he supports him blindly
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I've not inferred his policies aren't left enough. I just said I find it ironic that Republicans are bashing Obama, when his policies are nearly identical to that of Bush.
I would respectfully disagree. Regardless of your opinions as to either of them, to suggest, strictly from a policy stand point, that Obama and Bush are interchangeable is just plain obtuse.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:24 PM   #50
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Maybe I'm just missing your answer, but the bolded point sounds like you won't vote for him in 2012, since he had no prior Presidential performance in 2008 and you're using a future tense. You don't mention if you voted for Obama in 2008. Just wanting to clearly understand your response.


Question: Why does me voting for him in 2008 have any relevance on anything in this discussion?


If I did vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him again based off of his performance now.

If I didn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him in the future based off his performance now.


I think it's obvious that he's doing a poor job with everything, even though he's getting much of the blame for the economy that wasn't his doing. He's not doing much to help it either with the additional wars.
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I, too, noticed his carefully crafted answer and avoidance.
You dumb-assed GOP guys must have missed it.........
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Who cares if he did... that doesn't mean he supports him blindly
True.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:28 PM   #53
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Unless NC is one of the declared or potential GOP candidates for President, then this thread shouldn't be about him
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and moving on ....
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Excuse me? How or where have I inferred that I'm wiser than everybody else?

As opposed to linking "facts" that aren't facts nor support anything that a person is arguing?
"Turning the blind eye just for sake of waving your elephant/donkey flag around to go along with the crowd isn't my thing."

"Formidable ticket? ...lol Only if dumbasses are voting."

"It's a shame you guys can make this much noise over something that counts. Politics. We might would actually get something accomplished."

"Stop with this stupid Repubs vs Libs shit. It's ignorant and you are in fact a big reason why the US is failing if you keep supporting these idiots."

"I hold no affiliation to a party unlike the rest of the moronic Americans out there."

"If you don't think our foreign policy isn't the reason we are hated, then you seriously don't need to be voting."

I'll close with a quote from President Lincoln, ""Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:32 PM   #56
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What, he's delivered on a ton of campaign promises. What are you talking about?

Healthcare Reform
Financial Services Reform
DADT
Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)
Lilly Ledbetter Act (Fair pay act for women)
Umm...he said if had actionable intelligence to kill bin Laden, even if he was hiding in Pakistan, he'd do so without permission.
START treaty w/Russia. Reducing nukes by a third. Huge f*****in deal.

This is just off the top of my head.

A few have slipped through the cracks, but he'll get another bite at the apple.

The major issues with me are:


1) Cutting military spending, bringing troops home (has not done...in fact, started another conflict)

2) Closing torture camps (not only left Gitmo open, has managed to open another one)

3) Didn't repeal the Patriot Act, which are taking civil liberties from the US citizens.

4) Hasn't done dick with economy or even tried. Except he did renew tax cuts for the ultra rich!!

5) Jury is still out on that "Healthcare Reform".
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Re: Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread

So, back to the thread and Huntsman in particular -

Given his involvement with the Obama administration - tangential but existent nonetheless. How does he overcome those with a more direct appeal to the solid right of center? I believe he has been promoted/complimented by McCain but, frankly, I am not sure that is a particularly ringing endorsement.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:35 PM   #58
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The major issues with me are:


1) Cutting military spending, bringing troops home (has not done...in fact, started another conflict)

2) Closing torture camps (not only left Gitmo open, has managed to open another one)

3) Didn't repeal the Patriot Act, which are taking civil liberties from the US citizens.

4) Hasn't done dick with economy or even tried. Except he did renew tax cuts for the ultra rich!!

5) Jury is still out on that "Healthcare Reform".
Fair enough. I want to keep this thread on track. I agree with one of your five.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:37 PM   #59
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"Turning the blind eye just for sake of waving your elephant/donkey flag around to go along with the crowd isn't my thing."

"Formidable ticket? ...lol Only if dumbasses are voting."

"It's a shame you guys can make this much noise over something that counts. Politics. We might would actually get something accomplished."

"Stop with this stupid Repubs vs Libs shit. It's ignorant and you are in fact a big reason why the US is failing if you keep supporting these idiots."

"I hold no affiliation to a party unlike the rest of the moronic Americans out there."

"If you don't think our foreign policy isn't the reason we are hated, then you seriously don't need to be voting."

I'll close with a quote from President Lincoln, ""Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

You and JoeRedskins are right. I guess there is some of that tone in my posts and I apologize. It's hard when you see people blinded by stuff that corporate media spews(all types) and they keep doing the same things and voting the same way over and over and over again hoping for different results. I think the two party system is a sham at this point. Neither one of the group is going to fix our country.

No fair though, that comment about Bachman was true though. Come on man, you have to question anybody supporting either her or Palin. My parents are Republicans and they even agree....lol


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I would respectfully disagree. Regardless of your opinions as to either of them, to suggest, strictly from a policy stand point, that Obama and Bush are interchangeable is just plain obtuse.
If I said they were interchangeable, it was in jest. I think Obama's policies so far have pretty much in line with the policies that Bush rode out on.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:40 PM   #60
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JoeRedskins, I don't think his affiliation with President Obama will hurt him that much, if at all. My sense is Huntsman won't say anything really negative about Obama and that just won't fly in a Republican primary. Not this time around. And if you had to choose between him and Mitt, it's the devil you know (no pun intended) vs. the devil you don't.

He'll create some buzz, the media will jock him and all, I just don't think it's his time. People are going to be surprise when they find how moderate this guy is. I honestly don't think he'll make it out the primaries.
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