Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

The only thing I can think of is his "yeah, global warming is real but I won't and can't do anything about it" stance. He has all the political and business background, good looks, and "moderation" in his arsenal. Formidable!

Disclaimer: I know nothing about Huntsman other than what 12th wrote and brief Wiki look (Yes, yes, it's worse than cliff notes but I just wanted the sound bite for now).

I am not sure "moderation" cuts it as a galvanizing electoral call. Obviously, it depends on his charisma - if he can get people excited about him and his positions. Again, I know nothing about the man, is he someone who, beyond good looks, can electrify a crowd with his ideas? Lacking this, i just don't see him overcoming the polarizing arguments likely to occur in the primary (can he get enough support from the solid right to win the nomination?)

We all know just how ineffective the rally cry of "Stay Medium!" is.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Here's your annointed one.

YouTube - ‪Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States‬‏

I would say most 3rd graders know there are 50 states. And I would assume you voted for Obama...

Sooo.....I guess it's true? Barry O is....not smarter than a third grader?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I've not inferred his policies aren't left enough. I just said I find it ironic that Republicans are bashing Obama, when his policies are nearly identical to that of Bush.

Obama hasn't come through on any of his main campaign promises, and I'll never vote for him based off of his performance. I certainly would never vote for those idiots from the GOP either. Like I said, how people can still vote for the GOP with the state our economy is in proves that people will believe anything.

What, he's delivered on a ton of campaign promises. What are you talking about?

Healthcare Reform
Financial Services Reform
DADT
Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)
Lilly Ledbetter Act (Fair pay act for women)
Umm...he said if had actionable intelligence to kill bin Laden, even if he was hiding in Pakistan, he'd do so without permission.
START treaty w/Russia. Reducing nukes by a third. Huge f*****in deal.

This is just off the top of my head.

A few have slipped through the cracks, but he'll get another bite at the apple.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Maybe I'm just missing your answer, but the bolded point sounds like you won't vote for him in 2012, since he had no prior Presidential performance in 2008 and you're using a future tense. You don't mention if you voted for Obama in 2008. Just wanting to clearly understand your response.

I, too, noticed his carefully crafted answer and avoidance.

[Mattyk]

Who cares if he did... that doesn't mean he supports him blindly

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I've not inferred his policies aren't left enough. I just said I find it ironic that Republicans are bashing Obama, when his policies are nearly identical to that of Bush.

I would respectfully disagree. Regardless of your opinions as to either of them, to suggest, strictly from a policy stand point, that Obama and Bush are interchangeable is just plain obtuse.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Maybe I'm just missing your answer, but the bolded point sounds like you won't vote for him in 2012, since he had no prior Presidential performance in 2008 and you're using a future tense. You don't mention if you voted for Obama in 2008. Just wanting to clearly understand your response.

Question: Why does me voting for him in 2008 have any relevance on anything in this discussion?


If I did vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him again based off of his performance now.

If I didn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him in the future based off his performance now.


I think it's obvious that he's doing a poor job with everything, even though he's getting much of the blame for the economy that wasn't his doing. He's not doing much to help it either with the additional wars.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I, too, noticed his carefully crafted answer and avoidance.

You dumb-assed GOP guys must have missed it.........

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Who cares if he did... that doesn't mean he supports him blindly

True.

[SmootSmack]

Unless NC is one of the declared or potential GOP candidates for President, then this thread shouldn't be about him

[JoeRedskin]

and moving on ....

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Excuse me? How or where have I inferred that I'm wiser than everybody else?

As opposed to linking "facts" that aren't facts nor support anything that a person is arguing?

"Turning the blind eye just for sake of waving your elephant/donkey flag around to go along with the crowd isn't my thing."

"Formidable ticket? ...lol Only if dumbasses are voting."

"It's a shame you guys can make this much noise over something that counts. Politics. We might would actually get something accomplished."

"Stop with this stupid Repubs vs Libs shit. It's ignorant and you are in fact a big reason why the US is failing if you keep supporting these idiots."

"I hold no affiliation to a party unlike the rest of the moronic Americans out there."

"If you don't think our foreign policy isn't the reason we are hated, then you seriously don't need to be voting."

I'll close with a quote from President Lincoln, ""Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

What, he's delivered on a ton of campaign promises. What are you talking about?

Healthcare Reform
Financial Services Reform
DADT
Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)
Lilly Ledbetter Act (Fair pay act for women)
Umm...he said if had actionable intelligence to kill bin Laden, even if he was hiding in Pakistan, he'd do so without permission.
START treaty w/Russia. Reducing nukes by a third. Huge f*****in deal.

This is just off the top of my head.

A few have slipped through the cracks, but he'll get another bite at the apple.

The major issues with me are:


1) Cutting military spending, bringing troops home (has not done...in fact, started another conflict)

2) Closing torture camps (not only left Gitmo open, has managed to open another one)

3) Didn't repeal the Patriot Act, which are taking civil liberties from the US citizens.

4) Hasn't done dick with economy or even tried. Except he did renew tax cuts for the ultra rich!!

5) Jury is still out on that "Healthcare Reform".

[JoeRedskin]

So, back to the thread and Huntsman in particular -

Given his involvement with the Obama administration - tangential but existent nonetheless. How does he overcome those with a more direct appeal to the solid right of center? I believe he has been promoted/complimented by McCain but, frankly, I am not sure that is a particularly ringing endorsement.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The major issues with me are:


1) Cutting military spending, bringing troops home (has not done...in fact, started another conflict)

2) Closing torture camps (not only left Gitmo open, has managed to open another one)

3) Didn't repeal the Patriot Act, which are taking civil liberties from the US citizens.

4) Hasn't done dick with economy or even tried. Except he did renew tax cuts for the ultra rich!!

5) Jury is still out on that "Healthcare Reform".

Fair enough. I want to keep this thread on track. I agree with one of your five.