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Old 12-22-2011, 03:32 PM   #631
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Boehner’s office cuts off C-SPAN cameras as GOP takes verbal beating | The Raw Story

Why do people still support these clowns? I find it hilarious we talk shit about North Koreans being brain washed, yet follow idiots like this in our government.
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Old 12-22-2011, 07:59 PM   #632
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]I think you know, but i was completely kidding. [/B]And youre completely right the people that want to make a point by getting the right to put a skelton Santa on a cross in front of a courthouse are crazy and are fing up their own cause.

Christmas may be the most material of all the holidays, but its probably also the most charitable holiday (Thanksgiving up there?).
With all the deadpan post I throw out there I was due to get caught up in someone elses, lol.
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Old 12-23-2011, 10:38 AM   #633
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George H.W. Bush calls Mitt Romney ‘the best choice’ in 2012 campaign | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

gotta say im surprised and this is a semi-large endorsement.
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Old 12-23-2011, 04:28 PM   #634
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Well as I said before, I could care less about the War on Christmas. I find both sides to be ridiculous. Non-believers are making other non-believers look petty while the religious-right tries to spin it as malicious religious persecution. Nobody wins the War on Christmas. And most importantly the atheist are putting at risk the virtually automatic time off that everyone gets on the 25th and in many cases the 24th.

Now as for the picture. Cross predominantly displayed in front of a government building doesn't sit well with the secular side of me. Regardless of the message. The message itself is relatively interesting but the venue is inappropriate.
Halloween Christmas I don't get it.
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Old 12-23-2011, 11:04 PM   #635
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Not a good one though.
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Old 12-24-2011, 09:25 AM   #636
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Trump breaks with GOP, eyes independent bid - politics - Decision 2012 - msnbc.com

Trump just refuses to go away
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Not a good one though.
Why not?
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:44 PM   #638
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Perry challenges Virginia ballot rules – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Well FD, your dream of voting for Mitt Romney in the VA primary is looks like a done deal. Poor Newt Dogg and the village idiot Perry
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:16 PM   #639
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Why not?
A lot of independents I know aren't very fond of presidents named Bush. It's kind of like being a hedge fund manager and getting a vote of confidence from Bernie Madoff.
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Perry challenges Virginia ballot rules CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Well FD, your dream of voting for Mitt Romney in the VA primary is looks like a done deal. Poor Newt Dogg and the village idiot Perry
When did I ever say that I supported Mitt? I don't think I have said I support anyone so far.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:22 PM   #641
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When did I ever say that I supported Mitt? I don't think I have said I support anyone so far.
FD your gonna vote Ron Paul in the primary?
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Old 12-28-2011, 05:00 PM   #642
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I think this could turn into the wildest election in a very long time. At the end of the day I think Romney is going to get the nomination, but depending on how that happens and leading up to it I think we could see some wild things.

If Paul wins Iowa then I think he will win New Hampshire by a lot. I got no idea about So. Carolina or Florida, but theyre both primaries and not caucuses so everyone in the state can vote, which I think gives Paul an advantage. 3 of those 4 states may help him in Nevadas caucus, but I think Romney wins Nevada with its many Mormons. Either way I think the late primaries become the most important they have been in quite some time if Paul wins Iowa, New Hampshire and either SC or FL and has a strong showing in Nevada (very possible).

So I say all that because I think Paul doing that or something similar may set up 2 nightmare scenarios for the GOP:

1) Romney steals the nomination from Paul, so Paul steals the presidency from Romney by running as a third party guy. Honestly im not entirely positive Paul would steal the presidency from Romney if forced to run as a third Party guy. Since everyone likes to compare Obama to Carter, maybe in this scenario it would be fair to compare Ron Paul to John Anderson. While I think the majority of the votes for Paul would be considered stolen from Romney, I think a lot would come from Obamas camp too. Still id be shocked if Romney won with Paul also running.

2) Paul wins the GOP nomination. The chances of this happening are still extremely slim, although now legitimately imaginable. If this were to happen Donald Trump could garner support from guys like ORiliey, Rush and Hannity and run as an independent. Trump hates it when people ignore him and this could make him relevant again.

There may be a silver lining for conservatives with either of these scenarios, although after the last 2 weeks of hearing people bash Ron Paul and say hes not a conservative I honestly dont know what conservative means anymore. Obviously Nebraska Senator Ben Nelsons seat is opening up and with either of the above playing out I think youll get an even bigger republican voting (proportional to democrat voting) turnout in 2012, making a Republican replacement for that seat and many others all the more likely. I thought the GOP had a legit shot at the Senate before Nelsons retirement but now they have an even better shot.

Things are set up to be what I think are the craziest in a very long time. I mean for Gods sake Ron Paul actually kind of has a chance of getting the Republican nomination.
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Old 12-28-2011, 05:49 PM   #643
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Interesting analysis.

There's a good chance Ron Paul wins Iowa next week. I think the question is by how much of a margin. If Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, and Newt Gingrich (though it appears Rick Santorum is surging) are all bunched together, I don't think it matters as much. There's very little chance Ron Paul wins New Hampshire. For that to happen would be just an incredible turn of events and would damn near sink Mitt Romney.

That said, Ron Paul is the X factor. If he decides to become a third party candidate it could hurt President Obama as much, if not more so, than Mitt Romney or whomever is the eventual Republican nominee. Ron Paul has cobbled together an interesting coalition of liberal, conservative, and libertarian supporters. Most of his views are considered fringe, but there are elements of his national security platform that resonates strongly with Obama supporters who essentially believe that Barack Obama sold them down the river on issues such as closing Gitmo, National Defense Authorization Act (indefinite detention of American citizens), Bin Laden should have gotten a fair trial, our covert drone operations in Yemen, Pakistan, and Afghanistan and other civil liberties that Ron Paul and his supporters believe are unconstitutional. And that's just the beginning.

At the end of the day it's still Mitt Romney's to lose, but he's going to have to earn it and appears that Republicans are very much in a speed dating mood when it comes to these candidates. Whatever happens on the right, President Obama is going to be a worthy candidate and very difficult to beat, especially with the economy on the mend.
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:05 PM   #644
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Yeah i agree that Ron Paul as a third party may not necessarily spell an automatic win for Obama; like you said he will take a fair amount votes away from Obama too.

Also i was way off in my thinking about New Hampshire, i thought i saw something that showed Paul polling high in that state. Youre right in that Paul has little chance if any of taking New Hampshire.

Another thing i found out this morning i was wrong about (im up to 3) was my interpretation of caucuses vs. primaries. I thought primaries were open to all, but after i heard this morning about this "oath" thing VA republicans are going to ask of primary voters i found out some primaries are closed like caucuses. I think it may be like squares and rectangles; all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. So some primaries are closed or partly closed. Confusing, and im still not exactly sure. Heres a list of open, closed, or partly closed primaries (rectangles) for 2012:

Open or Closed Primary in Your State? ~ New World Radical

Also adding some excitement to this years election is the adoption of the democrat primary rules by the republicans. This basically ensures the primaries will be extended out until April and also adds in the possibility for a last minute candidate to step in. It makes it so delegates won in the primaries will be prorated instead of the winner take all (or most) type style we are used to. It also adds in the possibility of a brokered convention:

The New Republican Primary Rules Make It Possible For The Republican Establishment To Steal The Nomination From A Candidate They Dont Like

One thing we keep hearing about Ron Paul (besides how hes not a conservative.), is how well run his campaign is this go around. It seems to me money for the long haul and a well run campaign become much more important when delegates are largely awarded pro-rata and over time.

Republicans in the later states that have traditionally not really mattered before (like VA) dont really vote in primaries, there has never been a point. This year the early states are much less important and the later states are much more important. This could heavily favor Paul who has a well funded and organized campaign, but more importantly a devote following. My thought is that Paul people will go vote, while non-Paul fans will stay home since they are not used to participating in their states traditionally pointless primary.

Interestingly the only state that wont proportionally award delegates will be Florida, which in a multi-front-runner race like we are currently in turns Florida into probably the most important state (damn, Marco Rubio could have won this thing if he wanted to). My guess is Pauls anti- team America world police message wont resonate with the large older Jewish population, which like all old people love nothing more than voting in bloc. Well, except for early bird specials, the obituary column and matinees ..

I still dont think Paul has a legit shot in getting the GOP nomination, but it all adds to the suspense of it being drawn out. Also a brokered convention, Ron Paul running as a third party, or Donald Trump running against Paul as a third party could all cause some major turmoil within in the GOP. Maybe thats a good thing.

(also i dont frequent the websites posted above, they were just the only thing to pop up when searching primary rules)
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Old 12-29-2011, 04:43 PM   #645
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Look the bottom line is this, if you're conservative, libertarian or somewhere in between: if your candidate can't beat Mitt Romney, then your candidate can't beat Barack Obama. Period.
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