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Old 06-07-2012, 07:22 PM   #841
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Yet you continue to say "forced" against religious beliefs, when in fact the White House has already granted a waiver to Catholic institutions. Why do you keep repeating that is my question? Why? If an institution doesn't want to cover it, fine, they don't have to. Period.

Furthermore, Catholics aren't a monolithic voting bloc and the vast majority of catholic women have used or are using birth control. Female voters are informed and will base their voting decision on a range of issues, not just one.

Isn't it ironic that the father of ObamaCare is their candidate? The man who pushed for a law that mandated that contraception be covered in the Massachusetts Healthcare.


...it's bemusing to say the least. I can't wait for the debates.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:09 PM   #842
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Exactly. "Obamacare" was a Republican idea, successfully implemented by Gov. Willard Mitt Romney, the candidate Slingin's voting for in November.

The irony here is too rich.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:22 PM   #843
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Yet you continue to say "forced" against religious beliefs, when in fact the White House has already granted a waiver to Catholic institutions. Why do you keep repeating that is my question? Why? If an institution doesn't want to cover it, fine, they don't have to. Period.

Furthermore, Catholics aren't a monolithic voting bloc and the vast majority of catholic women have used or are using birth control. Female voters are informed and will base their voting decision on a range of issues, not just one.
From saden's link about Romney (which had a Dem controlled state legislature to deal with).

"Raymond Delisle, spokesman for the Catholic Diocese of Worcester, said there is also a difference in the wording of the state and federal religious exemptions. The diocese has relied on Massachusetts’ religious exemption to avoid offering contraceptives in its health plans, both for church employees and for those involved in other activities like social work, education, and health care. Under Obama’s requirement, which specifies that religiously exempt organizations must promote religion and primarily serve and employ people of the same faith, the diocese will no longer qualify for a religious exemption for employees involved in the outside activities.
Both Massachusetts senators - Democrat John Kerry, who is Catholic, and Republican Scott Brown -- have said Obama’s policy should be changed to include a clause allowing a broader conscience exemption for religious organizations."

Obama's "exemption" is so narrowly worded that Jesus Christ himself wouldn't qualify since he served those of different faiths. Obama knows exactly what he's doing here, this has nothing to do with "Women's Rights", any woman can go to Walmart and get birth control for $ 30 per month and many can get it for much less or free under state/Fed programs. This is a frontal assault on religious liberty, and an attempt to marginalize the Catholic Church.

But again, I don't expect to change yours or saden's minds. I've put my money where my mouth is.....still time for you to get in. Granted Romney and the GOP can still screw things up, but we'll look at the polling after the election and you'll find the Catholic vote will be against Obama by at least 5%, probably more.
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Old 06-09-2012, 12:37 PM   #844
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From saden's link about Romney (which had a Dem controlled state legislature to deal with).

"Raymond Delisle, spokesman for the Catholic Diocese of Worcester, said there is also a difference in the wording of the state and federal religious exemptions. The diocese has relied on Massachusetts’ religious exemption to avoid offering contraceptives in its health plans, both for church employees and for those involved in other activities like social work, education, and health care. Under Obama’s requirement, which specifies that religiously exempt organizations must promote religion and primarily serve and employ people of the same faith, the diocese will no longer qualify for a religious exemption for employees involved in the outside activities.
Both Massachusetts senators - Democrat John Kerry, who is Catholic, and Republican Scott Brown -- have said Obama’s policy should be changed to include a clause allowing a broader conscience exemption for religious organizations."

Obama's "exemption" is so narrowly worded that Jesus Christ himself wouldn't qualify since he served those of different faiths. Obama knows exactly what he's doing here, this has nothing to do with "Women's Rights", any woman can go to Walmart and get birth control for $ 30 per month and many can get it for much less or free under state/Fed programs. This is a frontal assault on religious liberty, and an attempt to marginalize the Catholic Church.

But again, I don't expect to change yours or saden's minds. I've put my money where my mouth is.....still time for you to get in. Granted Romney and the GOP can still screw things up, but we'll look at the polling after the election and you'll find the Catholic vote will be against Obama by at least 5%, probably more.
Mitt Romney's a horrible candidate. He lies all the time.

Notice how far in the weeds the three of us have gone with the contraception debate? I guarantee you voters won't be splitting hairs over "exemptions and waivers" come election day.

I'm curious, what do you suppose is Mitt Romney's path to 270? As it stands, President Obama has 247 EV, solid blue states, in his column. Romney would have to win at least 7 toss-up states (most of which Obama won in 2008) to reach the magic number of 270.

Florida
North Carolina
Virginia
Ohio
Indiana
Pennsylvania
New Hampshire

That's a very, very tall order.
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Old 06-09-2012, 12:39 PM   #845
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Actually President Obama carried all those states last cycle. The only state leaning red right now is Indiana.
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Old 06-09-2012, 12:50 PM   #846
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These are the states which are solid blue. In other words, Romney doesn't have a chance at winning them. They put the President at 247 electoral votes. 270 is the magic number.

Washington
Oregon
California
Minnesota
Illinois
New York
New Jersey
Connecticut
Maryland
Washington D.C.
Delaware
Maine
Rhode Island
Vermont
Mass
Pennsylvania
(leaning blue)

Not included in this scenario is New Hampshire (4 electoral votes). Currently Obama has a double digit lead in the state.

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ummm...no way Romney wins here in Penn. just aint happening
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Obama up 6 points in Pennsylvania, poll finds - The Hill's Ballot Box
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Anything Can Change in a Presidential Year - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com
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Defense contractors put Congress on notice | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com

more good news for Obama
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What I don't understand from this, is why would the OMB be counseling others not to prepare for sequestration.

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Without clear guidance from the Pentagon, which has been counseled by the White House Office of Management and Budget not to start planning for sequestration...
Wouldn't it make the most sense to be saying something to the effect of "look for ways to reduce that result in the least harm/lack or readiness, present proposals that get to [insert your percentage here, ie 75%] of the sequestration numbers, and we can go to Congress with a plan to preserve and protect our capabilities". Rather, it seems like "stick your head in the sand, and if we have too, we will just cut a little lump off your neck"
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boy and people bitch about unions. If you want to cut government, government contractors are to be included. Everyone knows contracting for the effing government is the gravy train. If you want to cut government, their needs to be a massive scale back in governemnt contractor spending which Im in full support of.

funny to hear the right talk outta both sides of their mouth.
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Mitt Romney's a horrible candidate. He lies all the time.

I think you just covered everybody at the white house and on capitol hill with that statement. If anything, he'll fit right in with the rest of the liars.
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boy and people bitch about unions. If you want to cut government, government contractors are to be included. Everyone knows contracting for the effing government is the gravy train. If you want to cut government, their needs to be a massive scale back in governemnt contractor spending which Im in full support of.

funny to hear the right talk outta both sides of their mouth.
Pentagon has already absorbed close to $ 500B in cuts over 10 yrs. Sequestration will be another $ 500B. When you cut that much there will be layoffs, plus the fact that House and Senate keep changing the Pentagon's proposals.

I've been involved in Gov't contracting for over 20 yrs. Is there fraud, waste and abuse, just like any other gov't program, yes. But it isn't a "gravy train" it's very competitive and contractors often operate on very skinny margins. I would argue that many of the inflated costs in defense contracting are due to BS regulations and requirements.

That being said there is more FWA through entitlement programs and Fed loan programs than in defense contracting.

The whole point of the post wasn't to start a "cut defense or SS/Medicare" debate, but rather to bring up the point that this isn't good news for Obama....massive layoff notices going out 4 days before an election.
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Pentagon has already absorbed close to $ 500B in cuts over 10 yrs. Sequestration will be another $ 500B. When you cut that much there will be layoffs, plus the fact that House and Senate keep changing the Pentagon's proposals.

I've been involved in Gov't contracting for over 20 yrs. Is there fraud, waste and abuse, just like any other gov't program, yes. But it isn't a "gravy train" it's very competitive and contractors often operate on very skinny margins. I would argue that many of the inflated costs in defense contracting are due to BS regulations and requirements.

That being said there is more FWA through entitlement programs and Fed loan programs than in defense contracting.

The whole point of the post wasn't to start a "cut defense or SS/Medicare" debate, but rather to bring up the point that this isn't good news for Obama....massive layoff notices going out 4 days before an election.
I hear you, but you know why its competitive and I do know someone who is a contractor, and a real piece of work at that. And I know the whole point to the post, but still it tough to bite my tongue when i see the hypocracy, especially at such an "organized" strategy.

If you want to cut government, the pain needs to be spread far and wide and that especially goes for the State department and Pentagon who've been sheltered. There is knee deep cut opportunity, time to start being honest about it.
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