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Old 09-28-2011, 03:14 PM   #106
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Trouble is crap food is generally cheaper.
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Old 09-28-2011, 03:41 PM   #107
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Trouble is crap food is generally cheaper.
Yes and no. If you don't buy the name brands, there are plenty of grocery store brand healthy alternatives that aren't expensive at all. My wife and I buy Giant brand products all the time. We're not low income, but every penny counts. A box of Giant brand oatmeal is just as cheap as a box of pop tarts, and much better for you.
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:15 PM   #108
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@gmscud, yeah I was being sarcastic, and I completely agree that only nutritious foods should be available for purchase (and no bottle water due to Water Dumping fraud above). However; I don’t think it would be hard to regulate at all.

I have a high deductable health insurance plan with a Health Savings Account (like a FSA). You can find lists of whats available for purchase with your HSA or FSA card all over the internet, and even from the stores you buy stuff at. Prior to the passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) I was able to buy tons of things over the counter easy as pie. When I went to the store I would ring all my items up and then swipe my HSA card and it would charge only things HSA eligible, then I paid the remainder with my credit card or cash. Unfortunately under Obamacare I techniqely need a prescription for ALL hsa/fsa purchases including over the counter stuff, aspirin, cold/flu stuff, allergy medicine, ect. But the technology is there and it works great.

Id rather have someone buy a lobster then a case of mountain dew and a “box” of oreos, but its shameful that either are allowed. Nothing but nutritious foods should be eligible. Prepared foods from the deli or a restaurant need to stay ineligible. I have to get a prescription just to buy a bottle of aspirin income tax free with my own EARNED income, however; people with ebt cards can buy Doritos, coke and cookies with others people’s money. Maybe im missing something but Is there any positive reason why snap participants should be able to buy junk food with their ebt cards? They buy 40% more soda than any other demographic, that’s just insulting.

@ first down - I was thinking about you the other day….. I heard someone talking about the Work Opportunity Tax Credit. It’s a commonly missed small business tax deduction, and this year its been extended for employees for a number of things including food stamp recipients. It can also help you if you hired a ex-felon, someone from a needy family, a kid working summer job or a bunch of other people. Obviously most people wont tell their boss if theyre a felon or rap about their EBT card like Mr. EBT but you can have all your employees call a number and take a confidential survey.
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:40 PM   #109
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@gmscud, yeah I was being sarcastic, and I completely agree that only nutritious foods should be available for purchase (and no bottle water due to Water Dumping fraud above). However; I don’t think it would be hard to regulate at all.

I have a high deductable health insurance plan with a Health Savings Account (like a FSA). You can find lists of whats available for purchase with your HSA or FSA card all over the internet, and even from the stores you buy stuff at. Prior to the passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) I was able to buy tons of things over the counter easy as pie. When I went to the store I would ring all my items up and then swipe my HSA card and it would charge only things HSA eligible, then I paid the remainder with my credit card or cash. Unfortunately under Obamacare I techniqely need a prescription for ALL hsa/fsa purchases including over the counter stuff, aspirin, cold/flu stuff, allergy medicine, ect. But the technology is there and it works great.

Id rather have someone buy a lobster then a case of mountain dew and a “box” of oreos, but its shameful that either are allowed. Nothing but nutritious foods should be eligible. Prepared foods from the deli or a restaurant need to stay ineligible. I have to get a prescription just to buy a bottle of aspirin income tax free with my own EARNED income, however; people with ebt cards can buy Doritos, coke and cookies with others people’s money. Maybe im missing something but Is there any positive reason why snap participants should be able to buy junk food with their ebt cards? They buy 40% more soda than any other demographic, that’s just insulting.

Good info about the HSA and that technology.

And yeah, that's total crap that obese people can continue to drive their health into the ground with my tax dollars, all the while putting a strain on healthcare systems with all the health issues that their taxpayer money food binges cause. 40% more soda than any other demographic?? Insulting indeed.

About a month ago, maybe longer, I was in 7-11 grabbing a few things, and there was this morbidly obese woman in front of me in line. Her purchases were a 24oz bottle of soda, a bag of chips, 7-11 hot dog, pint of Ben & Jerry's, and a pack of cigarettes. I kid you not. Granted, she didn't pay for any of it with food stamps (but the next person in line could be), but if she had, it's basically government assisted suicide funded with our money. I had to bite my lip to keep from saying something to her. It was a pathetic scene indeed. Kind of reminded me of the woman I saw in the grocery store paying for her food with food stamps (EBT card, whatever), and where do I see her an hour later? In that same 7-11 with a wad of $20 bills buying stacks of lottery tickets. My freaking head about came off.

Boy, this thread has gotten sidetracked....
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Old 09-29-2011, 10:03 AM   #110
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It shouldn't be a surprise really. People that "abuse" the system do so because the system is so flawed to begin with. People feel disenfranchised and don't have a lot of hope for things to get better. Those with crappy lives really aren't too concerned with eating well or watching their weight. And does it make it any better for someone with money who is obese? They're also going to put a strain on the system with their medical bills.
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It shouldn't be a surprise really. People that "abuse" the system do so because the system is so flawed to begin with. People feel disenfranchised and don't have a lot of hope for things to get better. Those with crappy lives really aren't too concerned with eating well or watching their weight. And does it make it any better for someone with money who is obese? They're also going to put a strain on the system with their medical bills.
It doesn't make it any better for that individual, but it's a little more palatable for the taxpayer who isn't funding their junk-food lifestyle.

You are right though, about people with generally crappy lives not really being concerned with a healthy diet. I saw that a lot when I lived in Gainseville, FL. It's so po-dunk down there, and all fried food, sweet tea, budweiser, and Marlboro's... yuck.
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