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Old 08-13-2011, 05:16 PM   #31
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See in the US we have elections every two years and you have the chance to vote out the people you do not like. You can even do like 12th and volunteer to help the people you support to get elected.

Voting in another person (regardless of party) into a corrupt system isn't going to change anything. The system itself needs changing.


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Old 08-13-2011, 05:19 PM   #32
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UK riots: Big Brother isn't watching you | UK news | The Guardian


Absolutely amazing article written by Russel Brand of all people. Do yourself a favor and read it. I've included a few paragraphs that stood out to me.


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I remember Cameron saying "hug a hoodie" but I haven't seen him doing it. Why would he? Hoodies don't vote, they've realised it's pointless, that whoever gets elected will just be a different shade of the "we don't give a toss about you" party.

Politicians don't represent the interests of people who don't vote. They barely care about the people who do vote. They look after the corporations who get them elected. Cameron only spoke out against News International when it became evident to us, US, the people, not to him (like Rose West, "He must've known") that the newspapers Murdoch controlled were happy to desecrate the dead in the pursuit of another exploitative, distracting story.

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Why am I surprised that these young people behave destructively, "mindlessly", motivated only by self-interest? How should we describe the actions of the city bankers who brought our economy to its knees in 2010? Altruistic? Mindful? Kind? But then again, they do wear suits, so they deserve to be bailed out, perhaps that's why not one of them has been imprisoned. And they got away with a lot more than a few ****ing pairs of trainers.
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Old 08-14-2011, 01:29 PM   #33
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Crazy stuff going on across the pond

London riots | UK news | guardian.co.uk

Shits getting real crazy:



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Old 08-15-2011, 10:21 AM   #34
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Absolutely amazing article written by Russel Brand of all people. Do yourself a favor and read it. I've included a few paragraphs that stood out to me.
Actually its a pretty stupid article. Its like he is using our politics to excuse their riots.
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Old 08-15-2011, 11:21 AM   #35
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Actually its a pretty stupid article. Its like he is using our politics to excuse their riots.
I agree. Never heard of him. Had to google him.
He says - But I know, as we all intuitively know, the solution is all around us and it isn't political, it is spiritual. Gandhi said: "Be the change you want to see in the world."

What a load of crap.
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Old 08-15-2011, 02:58 PM   #36
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Actually its a pretty stupid article. Its like he is using our politics to excuse their riots.


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I agree.

What a load of crap.
If both of you got that out of the article, then you maybe you need to reread it again. Where are you getting he's using "our" politics to excuse their riots? Hell, he makes no mention of us at all other than the fact he lives in the US now. You realize there are other places in the world besides America right?


Also, ever thought that maybe their politics are a lot like ours. (which it is...and corrupted and out of touch with its people)
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If both of you got that out of the article, then you maybe you need to reread it again. Where are you getting he's using "our" politics to excuse their riots? Hell, he makes no mention of us at all other than the fact he lives in the US now. You realize there are other places in the world besides America right?


Also, ever thought that maybe their politics are a lot like ours. (which it is...and corrupted and out of touch with its people)
This statement and a few others. I'm not saying he used only our politics but he did use them on several occasions.

"How should we describe the actions of the city bankers who brought our economy to its knees in 2010? Altruistic? Mindful? Kind? But then again, they do wear suits, so they deserve to be bailed out, perhaps that's why not one of them has been imprisoned. And they got away with a lot more than a few ****ing pairs of trainers."
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Old 08-15-2011, 07:46 PM   #38
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This statement and a few others. I'm not saying he used only our politics but he did use them on several occasions.

"How should we describe the actions of the city bankers who brought our economy to its knees in 2010? Altruistic? Mindful? Kind? But then again, they do wear suits, so they deserve to be bailed out, perhaps that's why not one of them has been imprisoned. And they got away with a lot more than a few ****ing pairs of trainers."



I suggest you read up on world events bro. It seems to me you are living in a bubble world. He's not talking about our politics and he never mentioned it once. YOU on the other hand assumed he's been talking about ours since their situation basically mirrors ours.

BBC NEWS | Business | UK banks receive £37bn bail-out


£850bn: official cost of the bank bailout - UK Politics, UK - The Independent


UK banks could need 2011 bail-out, warns New Economics Foundation - Telegraph


Contrary to what you believe, there are other countries out there besides United States AND they are going through the same crap we are. It's arrogant and foolish to think so small minded.


So again, show me where he's talking about US politics?
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I havent been following this thread at all so maybe this has been posted or talked about, but England is a pretty dangerous place:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html


Some of it is obviously the way statics are measures in England vs other countries (clearly So. Africa is more dangerous), but Great Briton is no safe place. Whats interesting is a lot of these countries have very tough gun laws when compared to the US, yet US ranks below Canada? Maybe someone crazy enough to hurt or kill someone by using a gun would also be willing to hurt or kill someone not using a gun…. who knew…



The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online
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I suggest you read up on world events bro. It seems to me you are living in a bubble world. He's not talking about our politics and he never mentioned it once. YOU on the other hand assumed he's been talking about ours since their situation basically mirrors ours.

BBC NEWS | Business | UK banks receive £37bn bail-out


£850bn: official cost of the bank bailout - UK Politics, UK - The Independent


UK banks could need 2011 bail-out, warns New Economics Foundation - Telegraph


Contrary to what you believe, there are other countries out there besides United States AND they are going through the same crap we are. It's arrogant and foolish to think so small minded.


So again, show me where he's talking about US politics?
EDIT. Not worth it. You do realize the guy was probably stonded when he wrote this so it makes more sense to you.

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If both of you got that out of the article, then you maybe you need to reread it again. Where are you getting he's using "our" politics to excuse their riots? Hell, he makes no mention of us at all other than the fact he lives in the US now. You realize there are other places in the world besides America right?


Also, ever thought that maybe their politics are a lot like ours. (which it is...and corrupted and out of touch with its people)
The guy is a hack Hollywood mediot...all of them should STFU.
Once he said the solution is "spiritual" I regretted reading any of what he said.
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EDIT. Not worth it. You do realize the guy was probably stonded when he wrote this so it makes more sense to you.
Yeah, so because the guy was a previous drug addict (clean since 2002), that makes anything he says stupid and invalid. I'll tell you what I do realize. I realize you didn't read the article at all. You took the quotes I supplied in the original post and you assumed he was talking about American politics based on the sample quotes I left you with.

Had you read the article, you would have seen that he addressed his past issues and even his own prior reasons to why he attended protests.


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I should here admit that I have been arrested for criminal damage for my part in anti-capitalist protest earlier in this decade. I often attended protests and then, in my early 20s, and on drugs, I enjoyed it when the protests lost direction and became chaotic, hostile even.

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I found those protests exciting, yes, because I was young and a bit of a twerp but also, I suppose, because there was a void in me. A lack of direction, a sense that I was not invested in the dominant culture, that government existed not to look after the interests of the people it was elected to represent but the big businesses that they were in bed with.
It's sad you took the time to wikipedia who Russell Brand was and his 14 arrests, but couldn't take the time to read the well thought out (and written) article about the London riots by a fellow Brit. Instead, you'd rather get mad I pointed out your fallacy and go on to further to imply that I enjoyed the article because it was probably written under the influence of drugs. (which I'm a stoner??)

Stay classy.
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Uncle Jimbo is a hack and a complete dumbass. No, he doesn't need his separate thread.
A compelling argument, for sure. /sarc

Now would you care to substantiate that statement?

Did you even read the article?
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The guy is a hack Hollywood mediot...all of them should STFU.
Once he said the solution is "spiritual" I regretted reading any of what he said.

Hollywood hack eh?


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I feel proud to be English, proud to be a Londoner (all right, an Essex boy), never more so than since being in exile, and I naturally began to wonder what would make young people destroy their communities.


But I can't, from my ivory tower in the Hollywood Hills, compete with the understandable yet futile rhetoric, describing the rioters as mindless
I think you need to look deeper into the "spiritual" thing.

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But I know, as we all intuitively know, the solution is all around us and it isn't political, it is spiritual. Gandhi said: "Be the change you want to see in the world."

If we don't want our young people to tear apart our communities then don't let people in power tear apart the values that hold our communities together.
He's implying that we as people need to change if we want the world to change.
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Yea, AW you need to take a bong hit and get more spiritial. Then put on a hoody and distroy shit because you have been F&^% by the rich.LOL
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