London Riots

Alvin Walton · 08-16-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Who and where are you getting the apologist bleeding hearts from?

If it walks like a duck........

NC_Skins · 08-16-2011, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

If it walks like a duck........

You still didn't answer the question. Who's being a apologist? Certainly not me and certainly not the author of that article I posted.

Alvin Walton · 08-16-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You still didn't answer the question. Who's being a apologist? Certainly not me and certainly not the author of that article I posted.

You edited FDs post to make it seem like the riots are the British govts fault, and you lump rich people in with them.
Its not the govt.
Its a moral breakdown in jolly old England. A lot of assholes acting like assholes. They should have their ass kicked to the fullest extent of the law.
Yes, there are plenty of welfare takers in on the looting but its about the general breakdown of society over there.

Doctor's daughter admits looting - Telegraph

And I can find plenty more articles similiar to that.

NC_Skins · 08-16-2011, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

You edited FDs post to make it seem like the riots are the British govts fault, and you lump rich people in with them.
Its not the govt.
Its a moral breakdown in jolly old England. A lot of assholes acting like assholes. They should have their ass kicked to the fullest extent of the law.
Yes, there are plenty of welfare takers in on the looting but its about the general breakdown of society over there.

Doctor's daughter admits looting - Telegraph

And I can find plenty more articles similiar to that.

The protests and initial riots started over something the government did. I suggest you read up on the facts. The continuing riots and looting is part of the disconnect that Brand (a person that actuallly lived in those areas and grew up there and was involved in similar protests) talks about between the government and its people.

Hate to break the bad news to you, but it's going to happen here.

Alvin Walton · 08-16-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The protests and initial riots started over something the government did. I suggest you read up on the facts. The continuing riots and looting is part of the disconnect that Brand (a person that actuallly lived in those areas and grew up there and was involved in similar protests) talks about between the government and its people.

Hate to break the bad news to you, but it's going to happen here.

I've read a ton of stuff.... the gangster that the police killed is just an event to use as an excuse for these idiots to run amok.
If you have read so many facts you would have seen the idiots in question admit to it.

You're being an apologist again using that incident to justify this crap, like it or not, thats what you're implying.

And Brand is a hollywood idiot. You discredit your argumnent when you mention his name.

Hog1 · 08-16-2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Only one seat on the bus needs to be electric......

WELL played..........

JoeRedskin · 08-16-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The protests and initial riots started over something the government did. I suggest you read up on the facts. The continuing riots and looting is part of the disconnect that Brand (a person that actuallly lived in those areas and grew up there and was involved in similar protests) talks about between the government and its people.

Hate to break the bad news to you, but it's going to happen here.

Yes, government action was the catalyst - police shot a man brandishing a gun at them and it appears likely that they have lied as to whether or not he shot first. While the violence that sprung up afterwards may have initially been in response to outrage, however, it continued b/c of opportunistic outlaws taking advantage of a volatile situation.

All those interviews with looters who were "feeling disconnected" with their government are just people making an excuse for stealing from others and attempting to evade personal responsibilty for their violent actions ("It's not my fault, the devil/the government/big business/rich people made me do it"). The rich/wealthy weren't targeted, government offices weren't targeted. Nothing was targeted except wanton destruction and grabbing a "few extra trainers".

Making excuses for their lack of personal responsibility and attempting to excuse their imposition of violent chaos on an otherwise lawful society is an invitation to tyranny and a recipe for deeper evil. Hitler's thugs and blackshirts were just a bunch of poor, disenfranchised workers and war veterans who felt the need to beat people up b/c they couldn't make their voices heard through the failed liberal democratic system. It was bullshit then and its bullshit now.

The system may be flawed but spontaneous, chaotic violence for the sake of spontaneous, chaotic violence is wrong under any circumstances. Your comparisons to the French and American revolutions - if intended as an appropriate analogy in any way - are laughable and somewhat disturbing. Where is the Continental Congress or the National Assembly who speak for the looters? What are their specific claims? If they are disaffected, what prohibits them from taking an active part in enacting peaceful political change? Are they prohibited from speaking freely? Are they not allowed to peacefully assemble and organize? Are their civil liberties being systematically violated or denied them?

Let me save you the time. No. No. No. No. These looters are not prohibited from affecting change by anything other than their own complacency. They are unhappy with their current life and rather than working hard to peacefully change it through the existing political structures - which they are free to do (unlike the French 3rd estate and the American middle class and plantation elite who were unable to do so) - they take advantage of a poor response by law enforcement to steal and destroy private property. Don't go romanticizing these thugs - they didn't find a Bastille to storm. Instead, they stole from shopkeepers, middle class business men/women. They destroyed the ability of many people to earn a living.

This was not some politically organized statement, it was thuggery sparked by a violent catalyst - nothing more nothing less.

Hog1 · 08-16-2011, 09:26 PM

This was not some politically organized statement, it was thuggery sparked by a violent catalyst - nothing more nothing less

You sound somewhat....disconnected and disenfranchised to me Joe! Perhaps you would feel better if you boosted a new flat screen???

firstdown · 08-16-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The protests and initial riots started over something the government did. I suggest you read up on the facts. The continuing riots and looting is part of the disconnect that Brand (a person that actuallly lived in those areas and grew up there and was involved in similar protests) talks about between the government and its people.

Hate to break the bad news to you, but it's going to happen here.

Thats fine you come into my shop or my house and it will be the last time. It may happen but the dumb ass people will tear apart their own neighborhoods like they have done in the past.

budw38 · 08-16-2011, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

This was not some politically organized statement, it was thuggery sparked by a violent catalyst - nothing more nothing less

You sound somewhat....disconnected and disenfranchised to me Joe! Perhaps you would feel better if you boosted a new flat screen???

I would like a new flat screen , when can I have it delivered ??

JoeRedskin · 08-16-2011, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by budw38

I would like a new flat screen , when can I have it delivered ??

When the proleteriat revolution reaches its ultimate and utopian end.

Or when you and bunch of friends firebomb a local business and steal it for yourself.

GusFrerotte · 08-16-2011, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Sorry.....no guns. Perhaps they could Bobby-stick a few.....

You are a bit behind the times. Bobbies have been armed for several years now. They had no choice once the bad guys got them.

GusFrerotte · 08-17-2011, 12:04 AM

Yeah the cops shot an armed "gangsta" type, that set it off, but the economic situation over there is much like ours, but being a much smaller natioin, the immigration problem is much more compounded as they can't find jobs. Neither can many youths of the native population. You have an increased number of people from different ethnic backgrounds all trying to get their piece of an ever shrinking economic pie, and eventually the anger is going to boil over, then you get some over zealous cop that whacks one of these guys and it just all goes BOOM!!!!!!!! With the economic crisis, blue collar Brits have almost turned into callous barbarians, as the use of violence to get what one wants has gained wide acceptance with the youth. The sad thing is once our house of cards falls over here, we will look much worse. No gun control here, etc, and the youth are getting more desensitized to violence, and are more accepting of using it to get what they want, ie those flash mob robberies.

Hog1 · 08-17-2011, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

You are a bit behind the times. Bobbies have been armed for several years now. They had no choice once the bad guys got them.

It was just my........subtle satire peaking through....

Alvin Walton · 08-17-2011, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Yeah the cops shot an armed "gangsta" type, that set it off, but the economic situation over there is much like ours, but being a much smaller natioin, the immigration problem is much more compounded as they can't find jobs. Neither can many youths of the native population. You have an increased number of people from different ethnic backgrounds all trying to get their piece of an ever shrinking economic pie, and eventually the anger is going to boil over, then you get some over zealous cop that whacks one of these guys and it just all goes BOOM!!!!!!!! With the economic crisis, blue collar Brits have almost turned into callous barbarians, as the use of violence to get what one wants has gained wide acceptance with the youth. The sad thing is once our house of cards falls over here, we will look much worse. No gun control here, etc, and the youth are getting more desensitized to violence, and are more accepting of using it to get what they want, ie those flash mob robberies.

Really, the USA has no gun control?

08-16-2011, 09:26 PM	#68
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,378	Re: London Riots This was not some politically organized statement, it was thuggery sparked by a violent catalyst - nothing more nothing less You sound somewhat....disconnected and disenfranchised to me Joe! Perhaps you would feel better if you boosted a new flat screen??? __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

08-17-2011, 12:04 AM	#73
GusFrerotte Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 3,961	Re: London Riots Yeah the cops shot an armed "gangsta" type, that set it off, but the economic situation over there is much like ours, but being a much smaller natioin, the immigration problem is much more compounded as they can't find jobs. Neither can many youths of the native population. You have an increased number of people from different ethnic backgrounds all trying to get their piece of an ever shrinking economic pie, and eventually the anger is going to boil over, then you get some over zealous cop that whacks one of these guys and it just all goes BOOM!!!!!!!! With the economic crisis, blue collar Brits have almost turned into callous barbarians, as the use of violence to get what one wants has gained wide acceptance with the youth. The sad thing is once our house of cards falls over here, we will look much worse. No gun control here, etc, and the youth are getting more desensitized to violence, and are more accepting of using it to get what they want, ie those flash mob robberies.

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