Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government?

BleedBurgundy · 09-23-2011, 12:36 PM

Might be a stupid thread, feel free to blast away if so... I was having a pretty good political conversation with friends the other day, and halfway through making a point came to the realization that I really don't believe in our government in any meaningful way at this point in my life.

Whether it's debt related corruption, social issues or war... I find it hard to get myself too worked up or surprised any more because I simply expect the worst, most self-serving systemic behavior on any given issue.

Haven't thought this out thoroughly enough to make a cogent argument...
Still, I'm curious, anyone finding themselves with zero faith in our process?

Alvin Walton · 09-23-2011, 01:47 PM

I first heard people saying this in the 60's when I was old enough to comprehend it.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss....

Ruhskins · 09-23-2011, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Might be a stupid thread, feel free to blast away if so... I was having a pretty good political conversation with friends the other day, and halfway through making a point came to the realization that I really don't believe in our government in any meaningful way at this point in my life.

Whether it's debt related corruption, social issues or war... I find it hard to get myself too worked up or surprised any more because I simply expect the worst, most self-serving systemic behavior on any given issue.

Haven't thought this out thoroughly enough to make a cogent argument...
Still, I'm curious, anyone finding themselves with zero faith in our process?

You're not the only one. I used to be a Political Science major and was very much into politics...but now I've become disillusioned with the politics of this country.

mooby · 09-23-2011, 02:21 PM

I don't want to say I've completely lost faith, but it's hard to lose faith when you never really had faith to begin with. I am completely disillusioned with politics though, the war on Terror isn't the only war we're fighting, as the war between Dems and Repubs has been going on since forever, and is probably never going to end. People are just too invested in it now to give up and try to work together for the good of the people.

Hog1 · 09-23-2011, 03:59 PM

Generally......yes

CRedskinsRule · 09-23-2011, 04:01 PM

For the record, I did not pay, or prod, or in anyway coerce BleedBurgundy to start this thread.

Anyone who has read my off topic political responses knows that generally speaking, yes.

Anyone else miss Trample and JoeTheismanfan for these type discussions!

Hog1 · 09-23-2011, 04:04 PM

WHAT THE HELL happened to T the E ?

BleedBurgundy · 09-23-2011, 04:08 PM

Was reading the other day about us stepping down our support for Taiwan, basically in a show of respect/fear of China's ability to Sith force choke our economy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/wo...to-taiwan.html

budw38 · 09-23-2011, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

For the record, I did not pay, or prod, or in anyway coerce BleedBurgundy to start this thread.

Anyone who has read my off topic political responses knows that generally speaking, yes.

Anyone else miss Trample and JoeTheismanfan for these type discussions!

I look at politicians like neighbors , some of them are nice , honest and helpful , and some of them just suck . As far as TTE and JTF , I miss TTE , JTF .... too far out for me .

budw38 · 09-23-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

I don't want to say I've completely lost faith, but it's hard to lose faith when you never really had faith to begin with. I am completely disillusioned with politics though, the war on Terror isn't the only war we're fighting, as the war between Dems and Repubs has been going on since forever, and is probably never going to end. People are just too invested in it now to give up and try to work together for the good of the people.

Well said !!

Lotus · 09-23-2011, 08:01 PM

We need a true multiparty system. The two party system is killing us because it polarizes discussion and buries legitimate alternative perspectives.

Hog1 · 09-23-2011, 08:35 PM

It's all about the $$

GMScud · 09-23-2011, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lotus

We need a true multiparty system. The two party system is killing us because it polarizes discussion and buries legitimate alternative perspectives.

This.

CRedskinsRule · 09-24-2011, 09:37 PM

What multi-party system has been any more or less successful at answering the public's concerns? I ask, because I haven't done any serious research, and figure someone might know already. In my opinion, it is very much of a case where gov't simply has gotten too big/unaccountable. In that case a multiparty system doesn't seem to answer many of my basic problems, because they simply squabble and point fingers more than what we already have. I do know, that many multiparty systems simply abandon a govt structure when one thinks it has gained an advantage.

My mind simply goes back to DeTocqueville's famous quote:

Quote:

The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
Alexis de Tocqueville

He was as prescient in that as Jules Verne was about the Kennedy Space Center

FRPLG · 09-25-2011, 12:17 AM

Yes for a long time now. I know our current two-party system is useless.

09-23-2011, 12:36 PM	#1
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,434	Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government? Might be a stupid thread, feel free to blast away if so... I was having a pretty good political conversation with friends the other day, and halfway through making a point came to the realization that I really don't believe in our government in any meaningful way at this point in my life. Whether it's debt related corruption, social issues or war... I find it hard to get myself too worked up or surprised any more because I simply expect the worst, most self-serving systemic behavior on any given issue. Haven't thought this out thoroughly enough to make a cogent argument... Still, I'm curious, anyone finding themselves with zero faith in our process? __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

09-23-2011, 01:47 PM	#2
Alvin Walton Playmaker Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 3,911	Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government? I first heard people saying this in the 60's when I was old enough to comprehend it. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.... __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968 CHARTER MEMEBER OF THE DALLAS SWEEPERS CLUB

09-23-2011, 02:21 PM	#4
mooby MVP Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NoVa Age: 24 Posts: 11,206	Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government? I don't want to say I've completely lost faith, but it's hard to lose faith when you never really had faith to begin with. I am completely disillusioned with politics though, the war on Terror isn't the only war we're fighting, as the war between Dems and Repubs has been going on since forever, and is probably never going to end. People are just too invested in it now to give up and try to work together for the good of the people.

09-23-2011, 03:59 PM	#5
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,413	Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government? Generally......yes __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

09-23-2011, 04:01 PM	#6
CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 11,023	Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government? For the record, I did not pay, or prod, or in anyway coerce BleedBurgundy to start this thread. Anyone who has read my off topic political responses knows that generally speaking, yes. Anyone else miss Trample and JoeTheismanfan for these type discussions!

09-23-2011, 04:04 PM	#7
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,413	Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government? WHAT THE HELL happened to T the E ? __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

09-23-2011, 04:08 PM	#8
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,434	Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government? Was reading the other day about us stepping down our support for Taiwan, basically in a show of respect/fear of China's ability to Sith force choke our economy. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/wo...to-taiwan.html __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

09-23-2011, 08:01 PM	#11
Lotus Mann Up HOF! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 8,949	Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government? We need a true multiparty system. The two party system is killing us because it polarizes discussion and buries legitimate alternative perspectives. __________________ Rooting for the Dallas Cowboys should be recognized as a treatable mental disorder.

09-23-2011, 08:35 PM	#12
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,413	Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government? It's all about the $$ __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

09-25-2011, 12:17 AM	#15
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,292	Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government? Yes for a long time now. I know our current two-party system is useless.

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