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Old 09-23-2011, 01:36 PM   #1
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Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government?

Might be a stupid thread, feel free to blast away if so... I was having a pretty good political conversation with friends the other day, and halfway through making a point came to the realization that I really don't believe in our government in any meaningful way at this point in my life.

Whether it's debt related corruption, social issues or war... I find it hard to get myself too worked up or surprised any more because I simply expect the worst, most self-serving systemic behavior on any given issue.

Haven't thought this out thoroughly enough to make a cogent argument...
Still, I'm curious, anyone finding themselves with zero faith in our process?
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:47 PM   #2
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Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government?

I first heard people saying this in the 60's when I was old enough to comprehend it.
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:55 PM   #3
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Might be a stupid thread, feel free to blast away if so... I was having a pretty good political conversation with friends the other day, and halfway through making a point came to the realization that I really don't believe in our government in any meaningful way at this point in my life.

Whether it's debt related corruption, social issues or war... I find it hard to get myself too worked up or surprised any more because I simply expect the worst, most self-serving systemic behavior on any given issue.

Haven't thought this out thoroughly enough to make a cogent argument...
Still, I'm curious, anyone finding themselves with zero faith in our process?
You're not the only one. I used to be a Political Science major and was very much into politics...but now I've become disillusioned with the politics of this country.
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Old 09-23-2011, 03:21 PM   #4
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Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government?

I don't want to say I've completely lost faith, but it's hard to lose faith when you never really had faith to begin with. I am completely disillusioned with politics though, the war on Terror isn't the only war we're fighting, as the war between Dems and Repubs has been going on since forever, and is probably never going to end. People are just too invested in it now to give up and try to work together for the good of the people.
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Generally......yes
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Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government?

For the record, I did not pay, or prod, or in anyway coerce BleedBurgundy to start this thread.

Anyone who has read my off topic political responses knows that generally speaking, yes.

Anyone else miss Trample and JoeTheismanfan for these type discussions!
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WHAT THE HELL happened to T the E ?
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Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government?

Was reading the other day about us stepping down our support for Taiwan, basically in a show of respect/fear of China's ability to Sith force choke our economy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/wo...to-taiwan.html
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For the record, I did not pay, or prod, or in anyway coerce BleedBurgundy to start this thread.

Anyone who has read my off topic political responses knows that generally speaking, yes.

Anyone else miss Trample and JoeTheismanfan for these type discussions!
I look at politicians like neighbors , some of them are nice , honest and helpful , and some of them just suck . As far as TTE and JTF , I miss TTE , JTF .... too far out for me .
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I don't want to say I've completely lost faith, but it's hard to lose faith when you never really had faith to begin with. I am completely disillusioned with politics though, the war on Terror isn't the only war we're fighting, as the war between Dems and Repubs has been going on since forever, and is probably never going to end. People are just too invested in it now to give up and try to work together for the good of the people.
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We need a true multiparty system. The two party system is killing us because it polarizes discussion and buries legitimate alternative perspectives.
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It's all about the $$
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We need a true multiparty system. The two party system is killing us because it polarizes discussion and buries legitimate alternative perspectives.
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Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Government?

What multi-party system has been any more or less successful at answering the public's concerns? I ask, because I haven't done any serious research, and figure someone might know already. In my opinion, it is very much of a case where gov't simply has gotten too big/unaccountable. In that case a multiparty system doesn't seem to answer many of my basic problems, because they simply squabble and point fingers more than what we already have. I do know, that many multiparty systems simply abandon a govt structure when one thinks it has gained an advantage.

My mind simply goes back to DeTocqueville's famous quote:
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Yes for a long time now. I know our current two-party system is useless.
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