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Old 02-15-2012, 12:42 PM   #451
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WHO wants to invade bad? Joe schmoe on the street? Romney? Santorum? CPAC? There are lots of stupid people who want to do stupid things. Are they relevant to the actual discussion? Are they in a position to make such things occur? If not, who gives a flaming f***. Site to me some credible source that some relevant politician or political group wants to invade Iran or is suggesting it is an option.

As always, you practice in vaguaries and logical leaps. Maybe someone is doing is arguing the position you suggest. You may be right. At the same time, I honestly haven't heard any politician suggest it. WHO, specifically, is using the "tactic of 'nuclear warfare' to continually pump the fear into people and then pass it off as "protecting our freedom' ".

I figure I wouldn't even have to bother citing who was for military action or bombing Iran since you GOPers should know your own party. Which candidate? All of them save Ron Paul.

You were saying? Nah, he's not pumping fear into the mass public. Nope.
» Gingrich: Iran Nuke Attack on U.S. “Real Danger” Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!


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“You think about an Iranian nuclear weapon. You think about the dangers, to Cleveland, or to Columbus, or to Cincinnati, or to New York,” Gingrich said while in Cleveland, Ohio. “Remember what it felt like on 9/11 when 3,100 Americans were killed. Now imagine an attack where you add two zeros. And it’s 300,000 dead. Maybe a half-million wounded. This is a real danger. This is not science fiction. That’s why I think it’s very important that we have the strongest possible national security.”
Would President Romney Bomb Iran? - ABC News

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Bomb Iran? It's complicated. Gingrich supports regime change, and even suggests that he could topple the regime without military action in a year. "We're going to replace their regime, ideally non-militarily." If necessary, "as a last recourse," he supports military action to effect regime change. Without a change in Iran's government, however, he doesn't believe that bombing would do anything but delay Iran's nuclear weapons production.
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Quotable: "I can't live with the thought of what a nuclear Iran brings to the region and what they said about Israel, which is our centerpiece alliance in the region. I can't live -- I can't live in the world with a nuclear Iran."
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"Well, here's where we find ourselves with two really bad-- positions. We're either going to allow this madman to have become in control of a nuclear device or we are going to have a nuclear strike, or excuse me, a military strike, to keep that from occurring, either the Israelis unilaterally, or in a bi-lateral or multi-lateral way with their allies.
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Bomb Iran? 'Ultimately, regime change is what's going to be necessary," says Romney, who believes both "covert and overt" actions should be used to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons. He said the U.S. should develop military plans, though he hoped they were never put into effect. "But the Iranians will understand that we have prepared credible military options, that they'll know there is a consequence of becoming nuclear."
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Bomb Iran? "Yes, that's the plan," said Santorum, when asked if he would order air strikes on Iran if they were going to obtain nuclear weapons. The conservative dark horse who came within eight votes of winning Iowa from Mitt Romney is the most bellicose of the GOP contenders when it comes to Iran. In an interview with Glenn Beck, he said Iran's regime was worse than al Qaeda, and that an attack on Iran would prevent war.

Nah, nobody's been talking about bombing Iran. Not even as far back as 2007.




This shit wreaks of how Iraq war started. They pump the fear up into people about WMD (or nukes), and then they come out and say LOOK WE HAVE PROOF OF WMD.....which they invade only to find out nothing is there. Trillions of dollars later, and countless people are dead, nobody is held accountable.

Iran trumpets nuclear advances, deepening standoff with West - Yahoo! News


^^the drum beats of war. If you can hear them, then you aren't listening to the mainstream media much.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:51 PM   #452
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We'll never invade Iran, theres no point to it.
Bombing their nuke plants, sure, but invasion? Ha!

They will probably get all uppity after we hit their nuke plants and deploy their navy.
Sure, we'll drop their navy like panties on a prom night but we wont put Marines ashore.
I'd talk about their air force but its pretty much irrelevant.

There was no point to invade Iraq but we did.
There was no point for military actions in Lybia but we did.


What does Iraq, Iran, and Lybia all have in common?


Greatest Oil Reserves by Country, 2006 — Infoplease.com

All three countries are in the top 10 in oil reserves. This is no coincidence. Tell me, why are we talking about air strikes to North Korea? How come we aren't steam rolling the warlords in South Africa? Resources. That's why. Everything in life comes back to two things. Money and Power.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:53 PM   #453
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You know who Chalmers Johnson is? He was a consultant that worked with the CIA back in the 60's and 70's. I'll let him tell you the story of the CIA, the US government and Iran.




I'll respond to the other stuff later.

No response for any of you?...lol I thought as much. Nothing to say when you know good and god damn well our country is at fault for all of this and will continue to make things worse by meddling in the Middle East.
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No response for any of you?...lol I thought as much. Nothing to say when you know good and god damn well our country is at fault for all of this and will continue to make things worse by meddling in the Middle East.
A. He sounds like an egghead that made a living out of scaring treehuggers.
B. He's dead.
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I figure I wouldn't even have to bother citing who was for military action or bombing Iran since you GOPers should know your own party. Which candidate? All of them save Ron Paul.

You were saying? Nah, he's not pumping fear into the mass public. Nope.
» Gingrich: Iran Nuke Attack on U.S. “Real Danger” Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!




Would President Romney Bomb Iran? - ABC News

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Nah, nobody's been talking about bombing Iran. Not even as far back as 2007.
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran - YouTube




This shit wreaks of how Iraq war started. They pump the fear up into people about WMD (or nukes), and then they come out and say LOOK WE HAVE PROOF OF WMD.....which they invade only to find out nothing is there. Trillions of dollars later, and countless people are dead, nobody is held accountable.

Iran trumpets nuclear advances, deepening standoff with West - Yahoo! News


^^the drum beats of war. If you can hear them, then you aren't listening to the mainstream media much.
You're missing the part where the Iranian govt announces every other month that they want to wipe Israel off the map.
While they go about enriching uranium.

And you havent answered Joes question about an invasion.
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Old 02-15-2012, 01:00 PM   #456
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Who are we invading?
Who are we bombing without justification?
Report: Iran nuclear scientist killed in car bomb blast - CNN


I find it ironic that we do the exact same thing that we condemn them for. Target innocent civilians and assassinations.

A scientist is a civilian no matter how much you want to paint him as the bad guy.


Explain to me why Iran shouldn't have a nuclear weapon? Israel has one and they've committed more atrocities over the course of the past decades than Iran has. Let's tally up how many innocent lives they've slaughtered in the Gaza strip trying to take over land.

Pakistan has a nuclear weapon, and they outright support terrorist so why aren't we bombing them? In fact, we were giving them billions of dollars. So how many nuclear weapons have the terrorists acquired from them? None. So what makes you think Iran is any less unstable than Pakistan?
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There was no point to invade Iraq but we did.
There was no point for military actions in Lybia but we did.


What does Iraq, Iran, and Lybia all have in common?


Greatest Oil Reserves by Country, 2006 — Infoplease.com

All three countries are in the top 10 in oil reserves. This is no coincidence. Tell me, why are we talking about air strikes to North Korea? How come we aren't steam rolling the warlords in South Africa? Resources. That's why. Everything in life comes back to two things. Money and Power.


Here we go with the age old liberal mantra of "No blood for oil".
And still we didnt get any oil......pffffftttt
Iran isnt about oil.
Its about fanatics with nukes.
Its about an eight year old wildly swinging a bayonet in a crowded room.
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Report: Iran nuclear scientist killed in car bomb blast - CNN


I find it ironic that we do the exact same thing that we condemn them for. Target innocent civilians and assassinations.

A scientist is a civilian no matter how much you want to paint him as the bad guy.


Explain to me why Iran shouldn't have a nuclear weapon? Israel has one and they've committed more atrocities over the course of the past decades than Iran has. Let's tally up how many innocent lives they've slaughtered in the Gaza strip trying to take over land.

Pakistan has a nuclear weapon, and they outright support terrorist so why aren't we bombing them? In fact, we were giving them billions of dollars. So how many nuclear weapons have the terrorists acquired from them? None. So what makes you think Iran is any less unstable than Pakistan?
Really trying hard not to laugh here.....
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A. He sounds like an egghead that made a living out of scaring treehuggers.
B. He's dead.
Great educated retort there. I look forward to seeing more pictures of dolls in the freezer in the near future. I'll get to replying to the other stuff when I get time.
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Here we go with the age old liberal mantra of "No blood for oil".
And still we didnt get any oil......pffffftttt

Iran isnt about oil.
Its about fanatics with nukes.
Its about an eight year old wildly swinging a bayonet in a crowded room.
No, we didn't get any oil from Iraq.

But Halliburton did get some lucrative oil production service deals which were unavailable before.
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Report: Iran nuclear scientist killed in car bomb blast - CNN

I find it ironic that we do the exact same thing that we condemn them for. Target innocent civilians and assassinations.

A scientist is a civilian no matter how much you want to paint him as the bad guy.

Explain to me why Iran shouldn't have a nuclear weapon? Israel has one and they've committed more atrocities over the course of the past decades than Iran has. Let's tally up how many innocent lives they've slaughtered in the Gaza strip trying to take over land.

Pakistan has a nuclear weapon, and they outright support terrorist so why aren't we bombing them? In fact, we were giving them billions of dollars. So how many nuclear weapons have the terrorists acquired from them? None. So what makes you think Iran is any less unstable than Pakistan?
Call me stupid, but I don't think Israel or Pakistan would willingly give terrorist nuclear weapons. Trust me, I think our alliance with Israel is one of the reasons we are targets of terrorism. However, I am not going to naively believe that Iran wouldn't use their nukes in the Middle East or even on us.
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Here we go with the age old liberal mantra of "No blood for oil".
And still we didnt get any oil......pffffftttt
Iran isnt about oil.
Its about fanatics with nukes.
Its about an eight year old wildly swinging a bayonet in a crowded room.

I didn't say we were stealing the oil or that it would be free.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/wo...-pursuits.html

Nah, it wasn't about oil.




Oh, you say it's about fanatics with nukes eh? Much like Saddam Hussein?..lol Didn't we hear this same shit back in 2002?




Number of countries Iran has bombed in the past decade- 0
Number of countries the US has bombed in the past decade- 8


Yemen 2002

Iraq 1991-2003 (US/UK on regular basis)

Iraq 2003-present

Afghanistan 2001-present

Pakistan 2007-present

Somalia 2007-8, 2011

Yemen 2009, 2011

Libya 2011

Who's the fanatics with nukes again? I'm confused.
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Again, you are missing the part where Iran constantly threatens to annihilate Israel.

A few well placed JDAMS today is a lot better than having the western end of the Mediterranean become a giant cesium zone tomorrow.
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Again, you are missing the part where Iran constantly threatens to annihilate Israel.

A few well placed JDAMS today is a lot better than having the western end of the Mediterranean become a giant cesium zone tomorrow.

Meanwhile, in the real world.

Ex Israeli Pilot who talks about the war crimes his own countries are committing.





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