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Old 10-27-2011, 03:17 PM   #106
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Old 10-27-2011, 03:17 PM   #107
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Lotus you are way too serious. Jk, very well stated and can't disagree with you.

Glad we are reaching a point of agreement from both sides. Here is a pretty ironic story related to OWS and one of it's issues. I think both "sides" will find it funny.

Occupy Wall Street kitchen slowdown targets squatters - NYPOST.com

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As the kitchen workers met with the “General Assembly’’ last night, about 300 demonstrators stormed from the park to Reade Street and Broadway, where they violently clashed with cops.

Officers made at least 10 arrests when rowdy demonstrators refused to get out of the street and stop blocking traffic. A dozen cops on scooters tried to force them back to the sidewalk.
Cops rock scooters in NYC?!!?!?
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There is no evidence the cops injured that man. The stuff the cops used do not normally cause those types of injuries. Now the rocks thrown by the protestors could cause those injuries. No one knows at this point so thats poor attempt by the writer to pin that on the police.
my guess is you never had interactions with cops
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my guess is you never had interactions with cops
And that's a bad thing?????
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And that's a bad thing?????
it's not a bad thing, but it does make his statement on what can and can't happen from cops in riot gear handling a crowd a little suspect. For the record, in the military, as a MP stationed in Germany, we practiced riot control a lot. Lots of bad things can happen to people who want to be agitators.
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My main point was the article had pinned that on the cops when it was not known what happened to the guy. If you had to choose from the following which one is most likley to crack a skull.

Bean bag bullets
Pepper spray containers
large rocks flying through the air

I'd have to vote on large rocks flying though the air.
Well riot batons and shields can cause a bit of trauma, and flying rocks may but the damage would be different then a riot baton against a skull. I imagine the doctors would be able to distinguish by the nature of the fracture.
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Old 10-28-2011, 08:53 AM   #112
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My main point was the article had pinned that on the cops when it was not known what happened to the guy. If you had to choose from the following which one is most likley to crack a skull.

Bean bag bullets
Pepper spray containers
large rocks flying through the air

I'd have to vote on large rocks flying though the air.

Your point is wrong.


Footage of Scott Olsen being shot by Police at Occupy Oakland on Vimeo


Watch the video. The guy in the video will point out this cop that throws a flash bang grenade while people are trying to help this guy who's laying injured on the ground. It's sickening and it should cost that guy his job.


http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-w...hese-days.html (What's up with the cops these days?)



This is another thing I'm sick and tired of. Blaming everything on the other person and not the cops. Guess what? If you haven't been paying attention much, cops are just as bad as the crooks these days(some hyperbole). Look no further than the thread above to see some of the shit they do, and this doesn't count the stuff that isn't caught. Don't assume 1) these people were throwing anything 2) cops don't lie

Cops and and law enforcement have shown time and time again to **** up, and then lie and cover it up. I'm willing to bet you my life nobody was throwing rocks or bottles at the protest. They hadn't been so why all of a sudden now? No. The cops even stated their intentions of tear gas/extreme force and they followed through as well.



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That video sucks.
I couldnt tell what was happening and I couldnt tell him from anyone else or who hit what.
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Old 10-28-2011, 10:08 AM   #114
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Not sure of the credibility of this website but apparently Scott Olsen is not very proud of his service. The press should stop lauding him as an Iraq veteran.

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Old 10-28-2011, 10:21 AM   #115
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That video sucks.
I couldnt tell what was happening and I couldnt tell him from anyone else or who hit what.


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That video actually shows that the flash of sparks actually hit a camera man wearing shorts. If you look at the video it shows Scott standing about 8' infront of the white line on the road as a camera man is running by him in shorts. Then it shows ths sparks flying (hitting something) right on the white line and if you look that person is wearing shorts and is right where the camera man was running. Scott had on long pants and was 8' up so that could not have been him. It really does not matter because the video also does a great job covering up the cops telling the crowd repeadly that they were going to use tear gas.
The video doesn't show how the guy(scott) originally got hit, it shows that the cops didn't care whether they were a threat or not and just provoked their own violence without justification. You do realize those tear gas grenades are shot with a launcher right? Try having one of those grenades hit you in the head and tell me if you still remain standing.

At the 1:30 mark. You can see the a few individuals gathering around the down veteran to help him out. NOBODY was making any moves towards the cops. The guy highlights the cop in question and you can see him tossing a flash bang grenade right on top on them while they are trying to help him. You can hear the people saying "Help him"....and what do they do? Throw a flash bang grenade on them. ....lol WE ARE HERE TO SERVE AND PROTECT.

1:59 mark. You can see the officer tossing the grenade into the group of people trying to help the downed individual. If you can't see that, you are making excuses of bad behavior by the cops. Sickening.


Are you two guys even serious? It's plain as day and yet you can't see it?...lol People see what they want to see.
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The video doesn't show how the guy(scott) originally got hit, it shows that the cops didn't care whether they were a threat or not and just provoked their own violence without justification. You do realize those tear gas grenades are shot with a launcher right? Try having one of those grenades hit you in the head and tell me if you still remain standing.

At the 1:30 mark. You can see the a few individuals gathering around the down veteran to help him out. NOBODY was making any moves towards the cops. The guy highlights the cop in question and you can see him tossing a flash bang grenade right on top on them while they are trying to help him. You can hear the people saying "Help him"....and what do they do? Throw a flash bang grenade on them. ....lol WE ARE HERE TO SERVE AND PROTECT.

1:59 mark. You can see the officer tossing the grenade into the group of people trying to help the downed individual. If you can't see that, you are making excuses of bad behavior by the cops. Sickening.


Are you two guys even serious? It's plain as day and yet you can't see it?...lol People see what they want to see.

If someone would have shot the officer who threw the granade at the group, Id be satisfied.
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Old 10-28-2011, 10:30 AM   #117
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And here comes the smear campaign right on queue. The public have a hero or symbol they can get behind, the media will smear his name right into the ground regardless if it's true or not.

/facepalm

Even if the guy hates the marines, does it discredit anything he's done for our country or his time served? Not in the least.
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The video doesn't show how the guy(scott) originally got hit, it shows that the cops didn't care whether they were a threat or not and just provoked their own violence without justification. You do realize those tear gas grenades are shot with a launcher right? Try having one of those grenades hit you in the head and tell me if you still remain standing.

At the 1:30 mark. You can see the a few individuals gathering around the down veteran to help him out. NOBODY was making any moves towards the cops. The guy highlights the cop in question and you can see him tossing a flash bang grenade right on top on them while they are trying to help him. You can hear the people saying "Help him"....and what do they do? Throw a flash bang grenade on them. ....lol WE ARE HERE TO SERVE AND PROTECT.

1:59 mark. You can see the officer tossing the grenade into the group of people trying to help the downed individual. If you can't see that, you are making excuses of bad behavior by the cops. Sickening.


Are you two guys even serious? It's plain as day and yet you can't see it?...lol People see what they want to see.
No doubt the guy was hit by something.
And no, I did not see a police tear gas cannister hit that guy in the head.
I watched the video three times.
Were the cops heavy handed?
It looks like they were.
But without knowing what the cop's direct orders were they may have done exactly what they were told to do...right or wrong.

And for what its worth I do think the USA is turning into a bit of a police state where the cops have too much authority.
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Old 10-28-2011, 11:40 AM   #119
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Im in the middle on this. Im nearly positive the injuries to the Marine came from a tear gas container or other crowd disbursement weapon fired from the police. But the guy should have fled once the police started firing tear gas, instead he just stood there and took on the risk that something could happen. If he had left he wouldn’t have been hit by a canister and perhaps the police wouldn’t have had the need to fire additional canisters. I think police abuse powers but that doesn’t give me the right not to pull over when a cop car flashes his lights, or waive my responsibility to disperse when they fire tear gas at me.
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Actually I don't get the Flash Bomb but it came from behind the officer circled not him. You see on object fly over his head and another object come flying in from his right. If that was intentional that person should be punished. Other then that the people were warned with plenty of time to get off the streets and they decided to stay.

You need your eyes checked. The cop steps back, and throws the flash bang grenade under hand onto the people helping the victim. Here you are again, making excuses when it's plain as day what the guy did. They even freaking highlight it (the cop and the grenade) for you at the 1:30 mark. Not sure how you are missing this over and over again.
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