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Old 11-10-2011, 03:50 PM   #196
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Great post djnemo65!


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Could the university actually fall apart though? I mean even before all this the state government was considering cutting subsidies to PSU, for economic reasons. If they cut subsidies, if the DOE gets involved and levies fines or whatever, if there are millions of dollars in civil suits, if the application rate drops significantly...could that effectively destroy the university. Not just the football team, but the whole university

I can tell you there are already advertisers who are demanding to have their ads pulled from any game involving Penn State.

I'm not surprised by any of this. Look at most of the scandals and you notice a mass exodus of advertisers when the shit hits the fan. (Tiger, Kobe) Not to mention something as horrific as child molestation and on a large scale. They very well may never recover from this. I find it ironic that these guys sold their soul and kept quiet to protect the school may very well have sealed its fate.


Also, I doubt the Penn State board of trustees is finished with the firings.

Firings not over at Penn State: Sports expert - CBS News
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Old 11-10-2011, 03:55 PM   #197
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RT @Ben_Jones88: Wisconsin coach Brett Bielema on Penn State scandal. "Guess it's a good time to be a badger fan" (Via @trenni)
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Latest report is McQueary will not be fired or resigned, but won't be coaching from the sidelines "for his safety"

Hard not to think he knows more and is fired will "blow the whistle" even more. Otherwise why is he still around
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Hard not to think he knows more and is fired will "blow the whistle" even more. Otherwise why is he still around
At this point, who's left that he could sink? I really don't get why he's still around either. It doesn't make a bit of sense. I think you hit the nail on the head earlier on in this thread about sacrificing his silence for promotions.
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got in a little arguement today at work with an older guy from up north. His excuse: Joe POS did the only thing he could, report to a superior and the other excuse: he's 84.

He's old? Com'on Man
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Maybe some of the donors alleged to be involved. Or maybe there are other coaches who knew and did nothing. I don't know, I'm just guessing.

I hope I never see what he saw, that goes without saying. But I also hope my reaction is quite different. Beyond not intervening and beyond not going to the police. I mean how could he look Sandusky in the eye for all those years afterward. Makes no sense.

And those of you who read the report know there was another incident with another eyewitness. He can't defend himself now (dementia) but at the time why didn't he, or the superiors he told, go to the police either. They say it was for fear of losing their job. But these are 10 year old and younger kids. They're defenseless and no one came to their side. Tragic
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got in a little arguement today at work with an older guy from up north. His excuse: Joe POS did the only thing he could, report to a superior and the other excuse: he's 84.

He's old? Com'on Man
Yeah, he's too old to make a sound decision about reporting a child molestation, but not too old to run a 50mil profit/year football program.


Ask most of these idiots would they do the same if it were their child in the shower. Most of them will mostly likely answer differently. If not, let's hope they never reproduce.
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Could the university actually fall apart though? I mean even before all this the state government was considering cutting subsidies to PSU, for economic reasons. If they cut subsidies, if the DOE gets involved and levies fines or whatever, if there are millions of dollars in civil suits, if the application rate drops significantly...could that effectively destroy the university. Not just the football team, but the whole university

I can tell you there are already advertisers who are demanding to have their ads pulled from any game involving Penn State.
I think it would take a lot for a university to fall apart. Also, I am sure the state economy would take a hit if that were to happen to PSU. State appropriations only count for about 8 to 9% of PSU's revenues.

Now, what will happen is that PSU's prestige will take a huge dive (and in higher ed that's big, hence USNWR rankings). PSU may get less applicants or less talented applicants and they will need to admit more students in order to get their tuition/fees revenues. At this point, the PA governor has already signed the budget, but next year during the budget cut debates they will find it hard to fight the budget cuts as they did this year.
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Maybe some of the donors alleged to be involved. Or maybe there are other coaches who knew and did nothing. I don't know, I'm just guessing.
You have to believe EVERYBODY in that football complex knows. You think McQueary actually sat on what he saw without telling anybody else? Hell no. Even here when our basketball coach was messing around, there were whispers and people talked so without a doubt I believe that whole coaching staff knew something. Which is why every last one of them has to be fired at years end.

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But I also hope my reaction is quite different. Beyond not intervening and beyond not going to the police. I mean how could he look Sandusky in the eye for all those years afterward. Makes no sense.
I've stated before that one thing that angers me is a bully. I like to bully the bullies so I know how I would have reacted. I've stopped things (not of this magnitude) before and I would have in that situation as well. I agree, I imagine he probably never looked as Sandusky the same. How could you? I hear their families were close so how could his family look at him the same way either?

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And those of you who read the report know there was another incident with another eyewitness. He can't defend himself now (dementia) but at the time why didn't he, or the superiors he told, go to the police either. They say it was for fear of losing their job. But these are 10 year old and younger kids. They're defenseless and no one came to their side. Tragic
That's exactly why Smoot. They are scared about losing their jobs. Jobs are replaceable, a human life is not. It's crazy how loyal people are to the institutions they work at, yet their institutions have none to them.
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Old 11-10-2011, 04:52 PM   #205
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I hadn't thought of the second point

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Also, isn't the Athletic Director technically on leave right now? Shouldn't he be fired as well? He's the guy that Paterno reported to I believe.
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Bomani Jones on Around the Horn had a great point that with the firing of Joe Pa saying Penn State is doing the same thing it's been doing. Protecting the institution.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:13 PM   #208
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At this point, who's left that he could sink? I really don't get why he's still around either. It doesn't make a bit of sense. I think you hit the nail on the head earlier on in this thread about sacrificing his silence for promotions.
idk if its really a question of who else could he sink as much as how much farther he could sink PSU.

the civil lawsuit is going to be focused on PSU's notice of the activities and its failure to warn and rectify in addition to where each individual sexual rape/act occurred.

mcqueary could provide even more ammo for the civil suits.

just weird that grown men would watch or know these acts were happening and didnt want to do anything b/c of fear of rocking the status qou . . is football that big of a deal at PSU? i just cant relate to it. i eould like to think if i was mcqueary i would have acted, and acted violently and loudly, if i was in his shoes.

i was standing at a street corner in silver spring, this guy walks up reclose to this young girl who was waiting to cross the street and had her back turned to him, this older lady and I give each otehr this puzzled look, he then begans to fondle his manhood outside of his pants, and man i just lost it on him, i was cursing him out my blood was boiled, you know when your about to get into a fight and you kinda ask yourself if your gonna pop this guy, my brain ws saying lets go, all hands on deck . . if he wasnt so apologetic i probably would have . .i cursed him all the way across the street up in his face.

the weird thing was i could tell i had the aggression and he was domiciled/not wanting to fight but he made constant eye contact with me the whole time, really bugged me out b/c his body language was submissive but he locked eyes with me . . both ladies thanked me. got back to office called the cops, they sent this fat lady, she said i left the scene and she couldnt take a report. i said well can i give you a description and see if that matches any attacks in the area? she said no. real ****ing lazy bitch, just wasting tax payer money.

just surprised mcqueary didnt go on autopilot and react without thinking . .but then again, thats some unexpected stuff and when something like that,. just so unexpected happens maybe a person locks up?
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Bomani Jones on Around the Horn had a great point that with the firing of Joe Pa saying Penn State is doing the same thing it's been doing. Protecting the institution.
I think that philosophy will prove to have been in error.......
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just weird that grown men would watch or know these acts were happening and didnt want to do anything b/c of fear of rocking the status qou . . is football that big of a deal at PSU? i just cant relate to it. i eould like to think if i was mcqueary i would have acted, and acted violently and loudly, if i was in his shoes.
It is a big deal but I think it is a bigger deal elsewhere. I really hope this is a lesson to all of these big time sport institutions, that they should not sacrifice morality for their big bucks sports programs.
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